Post the IDF. It is a very simple system with may choices. When you started to use setpoint mangers, then you may not know which is controlling which with many scheduled controllers. I did not suggest any system, because you wanted to use district cooling and heating, which are not in the templates.
The traditional 5zone example uses DX coil for cooling and gas coil for heating with a type 4 thermostat from the master zone. All the other thermosttes are disabled. In your case simply use one zone and one thermosat and one air terminal unit. The spitter and miser may be let there un used. The earlier version did not have economizer control for the OD Air mixer.
If you are using the HVAC template, try the system:unitary and zone unitary and see what it will expand to. With that air loop as a base, the setpoint manater can be replaced with the type 4 thermostat control. The dead band will prevent the cooling and heatng coming on together.
Dr. Li
To: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
From: matthew.sverre.anderson@xxxxxxxxx
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 13:30:23 +0000
Subject: [EnergyPlus_Support] Re: Heating and Cooling Coil Control
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The traditional 5zone example uses DX coil for cooling and gas coil for heating with a type 4 thermostat from the master zone. All the other thermosttes are disabled. In your case simply use one zone and one thermosat and one air terminal unit. The spitter and miser may be let there un used. The earlier version did not have economizer control for the OD Air mixer.
If you are using the HVAC template, try the system:unitary and zone unitary and see what it will expand to. With that air loop as a base, the setpoint manater can be replaced with the type 4 thermostat control. The dead band will prevent the cooling and heatng coming on together.
Dr. Li
To: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
From: matthew.sverre.anderson@xxxxxxxxx
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 13:30:23 +0000
Subject: [EnergyPlus_Support] Re: Heating and Cooling Coil Control
It is an air system with many diffusers and a single zone.
Does my question about how to setup the Setpoint:Manager make sense?
Right now my model is simultaneously cooling and heating and I know I can fix a lot of this by just shutting off the heating coil in the summer and the cooling coil in the winter but I'd prefer to figure out how to make it work in E+ without that work around.
--- In EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, YuanLu Li <yli006@...> wrote:
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> Whether you call it a AHU or a zone fan coil unit depends on the capacity. If you have a gym with many people, it will be an air system with many diffusers, although there are no seperate zones. The old fashioned thermostat master zone controlled AHU is what you need. I think there is example file for this, although I am not very sure now, as many of the 5Zone examples have been converted to setpoint control of the AHU. The system should have Type 4 theremostat with economiser function at the OA controller. OA flow rate can be linked to the people occupancy schedule and the minimum air valuevalue. So, no people, low air flow, or shut down altogether.. Dr. Li
> To: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> From: matthew.sverre.anderson@...
> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 22:07:38 +0000
> Subject: [EnergyPlus_Support] Heating and Cooling Coil Control
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Does my question about how to setup the Setpoint:Manager make sense?
Right now my model is simultaneously cooling and heating and I know I can fix a lot of this by just shutting off the heating coil in the summer and the cooling coil in the winter but I'd prefer to figure out how to make it work in E+ without that work around.
--- In EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, YuanLu Li <yli006@...> wrote:
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> Whether you call it a AHU or a zone fan coil unit depends on the capacity. If you have a gym with many people, it will be an air system with many diffusers, although there are no seperate zones. The old fashioned thermostat master zone controlled AHU is what you need. I think there is example file for this, although I am not very sure now, as many of the 5Zone examples have been converted to setpoint control of the AHU. The system should have Type 4 theremostat with economiser function at the OA controller. OA flow rate can be linked to the people occupancy schedule and the minimum air valuevalue. So, no people, low air flow, or shut down altogether.. Dr. Li
> To: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> From: matthew.sverre.anderson@...
> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 22:07:38 +0000
> Subject: [EnergyPlus_Support] Heating and Cooling Coil Control
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> So I currently have a zone which is controlled by a single air handler. The physical mechanics of the system are this:
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> (Economizer) -> Fan -> Heating Coil -> Cooling Coil -> Zone
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> Both the Heating Coil and Cooling Coil are on district plants. The system itself is a single zone CAV system.
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> What would be the best way to go about modeling/organizing this?
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> The HVACTemplate:System:VAV does not have the ability to list the coil as anything but electric/gas (for obvious reasons) or I could list it as a reheat coil and attempt to reorganize the nodes later. My first attempt was to list it as a reheat coil then reorganize the nodes, but it led to this question.
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> How would I organize the controls, without using a schedule, so that the heating coil water massflow rates drop to zero when no heating is required and the chilled water mass flow rates drop to zero when no cooling is required?
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> I currently have a mixed air set point scheduled at the fan outlet to control the economizer (is there a better way to do this to get maximum cooling out of the economizer?) but where can I put a setpoint in the SetpointManager(and what kind) combined with the ThermostatSetpoint:DualSetpoint (which is what the HVACTemplate expands to in the expidf) to add intelligence to the control layout. Currently I have the VAV airflow % set to 100% so it is a CAV system but I need to model the coil flow like what you would get with control valves on there that shut down when they are not needed and I seem to be spinning my wheels with this particular layout.
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> The big problem with this building is that it is a gym so during cooling months we will always need to cool but during heating months we might need to heat and we might need to cool depending on the occupancy.
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