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[EnergyPlus_Support] Re: Plantloop volume for radiant panels





Very clear. Thanks, Julien.
Understanding how this simplification (2 tanks to model the heat capacity of the loop) affects the model of radiant panels (and which error it introduces) would be interesting. Unfortunately I have no time (and maybe also no enough experience) to investigate at this level :-)
Best Regards


---In EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, <julien.marrec@...> wrote :

Francesco,

If you want to calculate and set it yourself, then yes you need to also add the volume of all the supply and demand side, including components. You likely should also hardsize the loop flow rate as well in this case, but that's my two cents.

If Loop volume is set to autocalculate, what E+ does is taken the max flow rate of the plant loop (V_dot), assume a circulation time of 2 minutes (=120s) and calc the plant loop volume from that (V = V_dot * 120)

I/O: http://bigladdersoftware.com/epx/docs/8-7/input-output-reference/group-plant-condenser-loops.html#field-plant-loop-volume
Engineering: http://bigladdersoftware.com/epx/docs/8-7/engineering-reference/plant-loop-sizing.html#volume-of-the-plant-loop


To account for capacitance, E+ adds a well-stirred tank to the inlet of each half loop (on for supply, one for demand). This Section of the engineering ref manual is of interest: http://bigladdersoftware.com/epx/docs/8-7/engineering-reference/plant-condenser-loops.html#loop-capacitance-and-pump-heat

"The total plant loop volume is separated into two tanks, on on each half-loop inlet. For normal loops (without common pipes) each tank is one half of the plant loop volume. For common pipe plant loops, the tank on the supply side inlet has three fourths of the volume and the tank on the demand side inlet has one fourth. Each plant loop is assigned a total fluid volume as user input or an autocalculate routine based on the design flow rate. The size of the thermal capacitance affects the speed of recovery from situations where the setpoint was not maintained. The user must estimate a fluid volume based on the size of the pipes in the loop. Note that rough estimates seem to be sufficient. Loop capacitance (m3) could be calculated from pipe size data but this is not usually known"


Best,
Julien

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2017-08-02 11:00 GMT+02:00 fpasserini.tn@... [EnergyPlus_Support] <EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
 

If on the demand side there are radiant panels (ZoneHVAC: LowTemperatureRadiant: ConstantFlow) shall the "Plant Loop Volume" of the object Plant loop consider also the water inside the radiant panels?

Does the model consider that if the water doesn't go through the radiant panels but through the bypass the thermal inertia of the loop will be much less?

Best Regards




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