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Re: [EnergyPlus_Support] Water Cooled Chiller EIRfPLR Curves from Data





Hi Jim,
Thanks for the resource. Yeah, I used the big matrix of points I have and just selected the few points where the capacity was roughly .75 .5  of the nominal capacity along with the given nominal rating point capacity which I said is 1.0 and the minimum and maximum capacity points in the data spread. Each performance point has its corresponding conditions which I need to make the curve. I've just never seen an extra matrix of performance points in a datasheet for specifically other PLRs. PLR is just the capacity ratio relative to the nominal capacity, right (this is where i'm not sure)?

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Am Do., 27. Aug. 2020 um 13:41 Uhr schrieb Jim Dirkes Jim@xxxxxxxxx [EnergyPlus_Support] <EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
 

.....and another resource came to mind from California's Title 24

James V Dirkes II, PE, BEMP, BCxP
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From: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of Jim Dirkes Jim@xxxxxxxxx [EnergyPlus_Support] <EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: Re: [EnergyPlus_Support] Water Cooled Chiller EIRfPLR Curves from Data
 
 

I don't know what those manufacturers in the EU do for literature, but I know US manufacturers have tables which show performance below 50%. Perhaps you should look for a different chiller / manufacturer and use that curve on your model?

James V Dirkes II, PE, BEMP, BCxP
Team Lead - Building Performance
616 450 8653
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From: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of Jim Dirkes Jim@xxxxxxxxx [EnergyPlus_Support] <EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Jean,
It's going to be a curve, not linear, so if you have several capacity points from manufacturer data (at least three?) it seems you could create a curve with those - then extrapolate to lower capacities.

Better, though, is to contact the manufacturer or sales rep and ask for a more complete table of performance.

James V Dirkes II, PE, BEMP, BCxP
Team Lead - Building Performance
616 450 8653
Foresight Management

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From: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of Jean Marais jeannieboef@xxxxxxxxx [EnergyPlus_Support] <EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 6:49 AM
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Subject: [EnergyPlus_Support] Water Cooled Chiller EIRfPLR Curves from Data
 
 

Hi Guys,
It's been a while but I'm setting up Chiller Curves again. I've run up against this issue before, but I wanted to ask here:
The Datasheet Performance Data does not always have data at low Part Loads.
My method has been to look at the data and choose points at various Part Loads like (see image below) based around my rating point capacity.
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This only gets me so far. Performance points that would mean a below 50% Load coverage don't exist in the data set. How do you guys make up the rest. I think we should have data to at least 25 if not 20 % of rated full load, right?
Any thoughts?
Jean



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