[Equest-users] Equest-users Digest, Vol 20, Issue 4
Richard Caldwell
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Thu Nov 5 15:15:03 PST 2009
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> 3. Re: eQuest Project Methodology (Nick Caton)
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Nick Caton" <ncaton at smithboucher.com>
> To: <curt.strobehn at eesinet.com>, <equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org>
> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 16:40:38 -0600
> Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Urgent Message
>
> Curt,
>
>
>
> First, as you’ve hopefully gathered, you have already found the “tech
> support” department for eQuest (at least in my eyes): the [Equest-users]
> and [Bldg-sim] mailing lists hosted at onebuilding.org.
>
>
>
> Let me summarize and add to some of the key advice (which I fully agree
> with) that’s been posted so far. This advice is general and should be
> considered well by any eQuest beginner:
>
>
>
> 1. *Hard truth*: You *should not be expected* to become fully
> proficient with a program as expansive and powerful as eQuest within a
> week. Anyone believing this (yourself included) needs a reality check. If
> that is truly a hard deadline and the modeling must be done with eQuest, you
> are best advised to find a local mentor (i.e. do not solo this) and/or
> compensate another energy modeling consultant to get the work done on time
> (and walk you through the model so that you can manipulate and ask
> questions). Alternatively, use a program you’re more familiar with.
>
> a. *Soft truth*: Truly lucky is the individual who gets to learn
> energy modeling software outside of a hard deadline with a simple building
> (students pay attention!). To that end, as a group we’re generally
> sympathetic to the “trial-by-fire” situation that a lot of us went through.
> Take care not to let your emotions get in the way of learning/help.
>
> b. Design engineers/consultants such as yourself will inevitably
> spend long hours at first making less accurate models, but as you invest the
> hours learning the ins and outs can look forward to more accurate models
> produced at a much quicker pace.
>
> c. In a literal sense, the statement that learning to model building
> will take years is an understatement. Anybody who tells you they know all
> there is to know is lying through their teeth. The most intelligent
> modelers never stop learning. *That said*, it is not unrealistic to
> produce your first model in a week, understanding and accepting it will not
> be the most accurate model you will ever build.
>
> 2. Your primary source for any question regarding the operation of
> eQuest/DOE2 should start by right clicking the field in question and pulling
> up the appropriate help file. You can also search from there.
>
> 3. Your secondary source for any question regarding eQuest, or items
> in the help files you need a layman’s explanation of, should be to search
> the mailing list archives. Odds are a majority of the questions you’ll have
> have already been asked/answered (BOOKMARK/FAVORITE THESE):
>
> a. http://lists.onebuilding.org/pipermail/bldg-sim-onebuilding.org/
>
> b.
> http://lists.onebuilding.org/pipermail/equest-users-onebuilding.org/
>
> 4. A tertiary source is to google a specific topic that hasn’t come
> up. It’s a big internet out there.
>
> 5. It’s apparent from the tone of your email that you’ve got to take
> a chill pill =)! It’s understandable to be unimpressed with the “lack of
> technical support,” but only to the extent that you weren’t previously aware
> of the huge international body of scientists/engineers/designers/practicers
> of building energy modeling here at these mailing lists. I’ll venture there
> is a lot more to be learned here than at any 1-800 tech support number for
> any modeling package out there.
>
> 6. Remember – in a support forum like this, where the majority of
> helpful responders are doing so of their own good-will (it’s not our job), a
> few key things apply that normally don’t with a “tech support” line:
>
> a. The most detailed & informative answers consistently come from
> detailed & informative questions.
>
> i. I
> believe a majority of unanswered queries are due to questions not being
> completely posed. Always explain what you have tried, what hasn’t worked,
> what clues you have etc. to the best of your ability.
>
> ii. There’s
> a sizeable academic crowd subscribed to these lists that may not be inclined
> to respond if it’s apparent you haven’t looked up the basics for the
> topic-at-hand.
>
> b. Pay it forward =). The best learning comes from teaching/sharing
> knowledge with others, and individuals you help out are more likely to
> return the favor!
>
> c. Politeness is a rule, not an option.
>
> d. Good grammar (at least for a native English speaker) is a rule,
> not an option. It will become apparent if it hasn’t already that this is an
> international body of subscribers with knowledgeable professionals that
> simply won’t waste their time trying to decipher poorly written inquiries.
> Proof your questions/responses.
>
>
>
> This isn’t all specific to your situation Curt, but I’ve been wanting to
> write this up for a while so that I can refer others to some of this basic
> info. Best of luck, and I hope we’ll all see more of you here!
>
>
>
> ~Nick
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:
> equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Kyte
> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 2:08 PM
> To: 'equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org'
> Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Urgent Message
>
>
>
> Learning how to do computer simulations for buildings from scratch without
> a mentor will take years.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Chris Wark [mailto:cwark at rumseyengineers.com]
>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:31 PM
>
> To:; 'equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org'
>
> Subject:
>
>
>
>
>
> Curt,
>
> Welcome to the world of FREE software. Energy, airflow, and design software
> packages with an actual market value usually do come with more extensive
> training material, but in this case, the fastest way to learn eQUEST is to
> look at as much of the built-in help as possible by right clicking on any
> input field. In fact, the built-in help documents are rather extensive for
> FREE software (perhaps because it was developed through government and
> utility grants). Beyond the help documents, the only way to learn common
> work-arounds is through users forums. I have found that users are pretty
> responsive on this one.
>
> Good luck.
>
>
>
> Christopher Wark
>
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> ___________________________
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:
> equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of Curtis Strobehn
>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 10:18 AM
>
> To: equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
>
> Subject: [Equest-users] Urgent Message
>
>
>
> I am under a dead line and I'm have trouble with Equest
>
> IS there any training DVD videos of any kind for Equest?
>
> If there where training Video's at one time there should be a back copy or
>
> some other source?
>
>
>
> I'm sure there has to be a video somewhere!
>
> I even tried www.youtube.com and couldn't find one thing about Equest.
>
> I'm just a little upset that I have every little time to get this project
>
> done by the 9th November and no training or any Training videos.
>
>
>
> Tools are only good if you know how to use them and with out any training
> or
>
> training videos, then Equest is useless to me.
>
> I have used this Equest before but it was not a complex build like the
> round
>
> building "Kaiser medical Office" in Salem Oregon.
>
> Every program I ever used there was some contact info or tutorials on line.
>
> This is a first for me and being an Energy Simulation program
>
> I'm every surprised there is on contact number or training videos?
>
> I HAVE NOT FOUND ANY TECH SUPPORT FOR EQUEST OR ANY CONTACT NUMBER.
>
> I'm not to impress with Equest so far.
>
>
>
>
>
> Curt Strobehn
>
> Mechanical Draft/Designer
>
>
>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Nick Caton" <ncaton at smithboucher.com>
> To: "Nicholas Couture, LEED AP" <ncouture at emtec-engineers.com>
> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 17:39:16 -0600
> Subject: Re: [Equest-users] eQuest Project Methodology
>
> Hi Nick (I like your name!),
>
>
>
> I’m an intermediate learner and user of eQuest (not an expert/developer),
> so your perspective may match mine some months down the road. Here’s my
> short/sweet answers – obviously different for others but here we go:
>
>
>
> … I only use the schematic wizard or DD wizard for monthly energy
> estimates, because I do not understand the detailed inputs and how it works,
> but I would like to.
>
>
>
> I use eQuest primarily as an energy modeling tool, and only rarely as a
> design (loads calculation) tool. eQuest is great for making energy-concious
> design decisions (i.e. will option A or B save me more $$/yr?), and powerful
> with regards to modeling for LEED and such, but it’s a big clunker if all
> you need are loads to size equipment. I started with the same thoughts as
> you, but now regard the wizards as a tremendous time-saver to set yourself
> up for “real” work in the detailed mode.
>
>
>
> Are most people using these wizards and then get into the detailed
>
> modeling or do you go straight into detailed parametric modeling?
>
>
>
> For a complex model, I use the DD or SD wizards to the fullest extent, then
> spend most of my time tweaking things within the detailed mode for most
> projects. I occasionally spend a small amount of time delving into typing
> stuff up in the .inp file to account for specific things, but I didn’t begin
> picking that up until I had a number of projects under my belt.
>
>
>
> …do you get into detail modeling of the building with all spaces
>
> and zones…
>
>
>
> I try to model as much of the geometries as I can in the wizards. I have
> edited/created geometries/rooms/zones/etc… after the fact (it’s not as hard
> as it seems). It is unquestionably faster and less prone to error within
> the wizards however.
>
>
>
> …or do you generalize the building zones as the tutorial recommends…
>
>
>
> Yes. Same overriding concept as any loads calc program (like HAP).
>
>
>
> and is it worthwhile to import autoCAD files to help model
>
> the building?
>
>
>
> Absolutely.
>
>
>
> Can you compare several different building models in the
>
> same file and show comparison reports?
>
>
>
> I haven’t fully grasped yet the potential/limitations of the parametric
> reports feature, but for comparing different systems and such I generally
> create two different files (preserving the effort put into the geometries by
> saving a copy and going backwards in the second file).
>
>
>
> Hope this helps,
>
>
>
> ~Nick
>
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>
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>
> *NICK CATON, E.I.T.***
>
> PROJECT ENGINEER
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:
> equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of Nicholas Couture,
> LEED AP
> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 2:40 PM
> To: equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
> Subject: [Equest-users] eQuest Project Methodology
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Good Afternoon eQuest users,
>
>
>
> I have a general question that I am wondering what is the method that
>
> people are using to model with eQuest. For example I have done a couple
>
> projects in it (always with a backup in HAP), and I only use the
>
> schematic wizard or DD wizard for monthly energy estimates, because I do
>
> not understand the detailed inputs and how it works, but I would like
>
> to. Are most people using these wizards and then get into the detailed
>
> modeling or do you go straight into detailed parametric modeling? Can
>
> you and do you get into detail modeling of the building with all spaces
>
> and zones, or do you generalize the building zones as the tutorial
>
> recommends, and is it worthwhile to import autoCAD files to help model
>
> the building? Can you compare several different building models in the
>
> same file and show comparison reports? I have found that the EEM wizard
>
> is limited to modifying one system.
>
>
>
> Any responses on all facets of the program are welcome.
>
>
>
>
>
> Nick Couture, LEED AP
>
> Jr. Mechanical Engineer
>
>
>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: jeff at sharpenotes.com
> To: "Nick Caton" <ncaton at smithboucher.com>
> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:08:47 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Urgent Message
> Wonderful response Nick.
> Wise words for a bunch of us.
> Muchas Gracias!
> J#
> ************************************************************
> Jeffery Sharpe, PE
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Urgent Message
> From: "Nick Caton" <ncaton at smithboucher.com>
> Date: Wed, November 04, 2009 2:40 pm
> To: <curt.strobehn at eesinet.com>, <equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org>
>
> Curt,
>
> First, as you’ve hopefully gathered, you have already found the “tech
> support” department for eQuest (at least in my eyes): the [Equest-users]
> and [Bldg-sim] mailing lists hosted at onebuilding.org.
>
> Let me summarize and add to some of the key advice (which I fully agree
> with) that’s been posted so far. This advice is general and should be
> considered well by any eQuest beginner:
>
>
> 1. *Hard truth*: You *should not be expected* to become fully
> proficient with a program as expansive and powerful as eQuest within a
> week. Anyone believing this (yourself included) needs a reality check. If
> that is truly a hard deadline and the modeling must be done with eQuest, you
> are best advised to find a local mentor (i.e. do not solo this) and/or
> compensate another energy modeling consultant to get the work done on time
> (and walk you through the model so that you can manipulate and ask
> questions). Alternatively, use a program you’re more familiar with.
>
> a. *Soft truth*: Truly lucky is the individual who gets to learn
> energy modeling software outside of a hard deadline with a simple building
> (students pay attention!). To that end, as a group we’re generally
> sympathetic to the “trial-by-fire” situation that a lot of us went through.
> Take care not to let your emotions get in the way of learning/help.
>
> b. Design engineers/consultants such as yourself will inevitably
> spend long hours at first making less accurate models, but as you invest the
> hours learning the ins and outs can look forward to more accurate models
> produced at a much quicker pace.
>
> c. In a literal sense, the statement that learning to model building
> will take years is an understatement. Anybody who tells you they know all
> there is to know is lying through their teeth. The most intelligent
> modelers never stop learning. *That said*, it is not unrealistic to
> produce your first model in a week, understanding and accepting it will not
> be the most accurate model you will ever build.
>
> 2. Your primary source for any question regarding the operation of
> eQuest/DOE2 should start by right clicking the field in question and pulling
> up the appropriate help file. You can also search from there.
>
> 3. Your secondary source for any question regarding eQuest, or items
> in the help files you need a layman’s explanation of, should be to search
> the mailing list archives. Odds are a majority of the questions you’ll have
> have already been asked/answered (BOOKMARK/FAVORITE THESE):
>
> a. http://lists.onebuilding.org/pipermail/bldg-sim-onebuilding.org/
>
> b.
> http://lists.onebuilding.org/pipermail/equest-users-onebuilding.org/
>
> 4. A tertiary source is to google a specific topic that hasn’t come
> up. It’s a big internet out there.
>
> 5. It’s apparent from the tone of your email that you’ve got to take
> a chill pill =)! It’s understandable to be unimpressed with the “lack of
> technical support,” but only to the extent that you weren’t previously aware
> of the huge international body of scientists/engineers/designers/practicers
> of building energy modeling here at these mailing lists. I’ll venture there
> is a lot more to be learned here than at any 1-800 tech support number for
> any modeling package out there.
>
> 6. Remember – in a support forum like this, where the majority of
> helpful responders are doing so of their own good-will (it’s not our job), a
> few key things apply that normally don’t with a “tech support” line:
>
> a. The most detailed & informative answers consistently come from
> detailed & informative questions.
>
> i. I
> believe a majority of unanswered queries are due to questions not being
> completely posed. Always explain what you have tried, what hasn’t worked,
> what clues you have etc. to the best of your ability.
>
> ii. There’s
> a sizeable academic crowd subscribed to these lists that may not be inclined
> to respond if it’s apparent you haven’t looked up the basics for the
> topic-at-hand.
>
> b. Pay it forward =). The best learning comes from teaching/sharing
> knowledge with others, and individuals you help out are more likely to
> return the favor!
>
> c. Politeness is a rule, not an option.
>
> d. Good grammar (at least for a native English speaker) is a rule,
> not an option. It will become apparent if it hasn’t already that this is an
> international body of subscribers with knowledgeable professionals that
> simply won’t waste their time trying to decipher poorly written inquiries.
> Proof your questions/responses.
>
> This isn’t all specific to your situation Curt, but I’ve been wanting to
> write this up for a while so that I can refer others to some of this basic
> info. Best of luck, and I hope we’ll all see more of you here!
>
> ~Nick
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org [
> mailto:equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org<equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org>]
> On Behalf Of Kevin Kyte
> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 2:08 PM
> To: 'equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org'
> Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Urgent Message
>
>
>
> Learning how to do computer simulations for buildings from scratch without
> a mentor will take years.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Chris Wark [mailto:cwark at rumseyengineers.com<cwark at rumseyengineers.com>
> ]
>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:31 PM
>
> To:; 'equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org'
>
> Subject:
>
>
>
>
>
> Curt,
>
> Welcome to the world of FREE software. Energy, airflow, and design software
> packages with an actual market value usually do come with more extensive
> training material, but in this case, the fastest way to learn eQUEST is to
> look at as much of the built-in help as possible by right clicking on any
> input field. In fact, the built-in help documents are rather extensive for
> FREE software (perhaps because it was developed through government and
> utility grants). Beyond the help documents, the only way to learn common
> work-arounds is through users forums. I have found that users are pretty
> responsive on this one.
>
> Good luck.
>
>
>
> Christopher Wark
>
> Project Engineer
>
> ___________________________
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
> ___________________________
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org [
> mailto:equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org<equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org>]
> On Behalf Of Curtis Strobehn
>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 10:18 AM
>
> To: equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
>
> Subject: [Equest-users] Urgent Message
>
>
>
> I am under a dead line and I'm have trouble with Equest
>
> IS there any training DVD videos of any kind for Equest?
>
> If there where training Video's at one time there should be a back copy or
>
> some other source?
>
>
>
> I'm sure there has to be a video somewhere!
>
> I even tried www.youtube.com and couldn't find one thing about Equest.
>
> I'm just a little upset that I have every little time to get this project
>
> done by the 9th November and no training or any Training videos.
>
>
>
> Tools are only good if you know how to use them and with out any training
> or
>
> training videos, then Equest is useless to me.
>
> I have used this Equest before but it was not a complex build like the
> round
>
> building "Kaiser medical Office" in Salem Oregon.
>
> Every program I ever used there was some contact info or tutorials on line.
>
> This is a first for me and being an Energy Simulation program
>
> I'm every surprised there is on contact number or training videos?
>
> I HAVE NOT FOUND ANY TECH SUPPORT FOR EQUEST OR ANY CONTACT NUMBER.
>
> I'm not to impress with Equest so far.
>
>
>
>
>
> Curt Strobehn
>
> Mechanical Draft/Designer
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> EESI Consulting Engineers
>
> 687 NW 5th Street |Corvallis, OR 97330
>
> Tel: (541) 754-1062
>
> Cell: (541) 829-9628
>
> Fax: (541) 753-3948
>
> www.eesinet.com
>
>
>
>
>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Bruce Easterbrook <bruce5 at bellnet.ca>
> To: Nick Caton <ncaton at smithboucher.com>,
> equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org, ncouture at emtec-engineers.com
> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:23:19 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Equest-users] eQuest Project Methodology
> Hi Nick and Nick,
> I have spent a year or so using E-Quest and a decade using different forms
> of the DOE engine and other various modelling programs. I also have 20
> years with ASHRAE. I'm not an expert with E-quest but have spent some crazy
> hours on it. I only recent discovered this forum and for a year toiled in
> darkness. I will insert my comments below.
>
> Nick Caton wrote:
>
> Hi Nick (I like your name!),
>
>
>
> I’m an intermediate learner and user of eQuest (not an expert/developer),
> so your perspective may match mine some months down the road. Here’s my
> short/sweet answers – obviously different for others but here we go:
>
>
>
> … I only use the schematic wizard or DD wizard for monthly energy
> estimates, because I do not understand the detailed inputs and how it works,
> but I would like to.
>
> I always start with the SD and an Autocad drawing. Get the basics in
> (geometry and basic construction) and let the program size everything. Size
> windows and doors on percentages, standard everything. The initial key is
> to get the program running and not freezing. Look at the error reports and
> fix them, or at least the one which matter. Some of the errors are not
> really errors. Once that is looking good do a save as and start a new
> branch. Get into the DD and start tweaking. One at a time, save and start
> a new branch each time.
>
>
>
> I use eQuest primarily as an energy modeling tool, and only rarely as a
> design (loads calculation) tool. eQuest is great for making energy-concious
> design decisions (i.e. will option A or B save me more $$/yr?), and powerful
> with regards to modeling for LEED and such, but it’s a big clunker if all
> you need are loads to size equipment. I started with the same thoughts as
> you, but now regard the wizards as a tremendous time-saver to set yourself
> up for “real” work in the detailed mode.
>
>
>
> Are most people using these wizards and then get into the detailed
>
> modeling or do you go straight into detailed parametric modeling?
>
> I use it initially to size systems, basic heat loss for the building, and
> then start dealing with ASHRAE 62.1. It will dominate all loads. Still let
> the program size everything. Start your zoning. Everything in incremental
> steps, save and branch before each new step. I do not recommend going
> straight to detailed modelling. The program is quirky and doesn't like
> certain things or methods. If it crashes your error messages are limited
> and cryptic. You could easily get 20 to 40 hours into a building detail and
> the program won't run. You can then spend half that trying to figure out
> what is wrong. If you can't, you go back to square one. Been there done
> that. It is smarter to have a saved tail, you only have to go back a step
> or two and work out the difficulty. Preserve the file, start a new branch.
> Remember this program is huge and complex and very picky. It produces 500+
> pages of data. One major error and it freezes. Keep it running!
>
>
>
> For a complex model, I use the DD or SD wizards to the fullest extent, then
> spend most of my time tweaking things within the detailed mode for most
> projects. I occasionally spend a small amount of time delving into typing
> stuff up in the .inp file to account for specific things, but I didn’t begin
> picking that up until I had a number of projects under my belt.
>
>
>
> …do you get into detail modeling of the building with all spaces
>
> and zones…
>
> You go as complex as the job requires. I so far have managed to stay out
> of tweaking the .inp file. I prefer to tweak/trick the program using the
> DD. There are many ways to skin a cat, you just have to find the way the
> program accepts your input to get your tweak. There are many run arounds
> mentioned in the forum to accomplish different tasks. Remember this program
> is evolving. It is state of the art but that is changing fast.
>
>
>
> I try to model as much of the geometries as I can in the wizards. I have
> edited/created geometries/rooms/zones/etc… after the fact (it’s not as hard
> as it seems). It is unquestionably faster and less prone to error within
> the wizards however.
>
>
>
> …or do you generalize the building zones as the tutorial recommends…
>
> Yes, start simple, go to complex.
>
>
>
> Yes. Same overriding concept as any loads calc program (like HAP).
>
>
>
> and is it worthwhile to import autoCAD files to help model
>
> the building?
>
>
>
> Absolutely.
>
> The only way to go. Input points anti-clock wise.
>
>
>
> Can you compare several different building models in the
>
> same file and show comparison reports?
>
> Not sure, haven't tried that feature yet. I have lately been taking my
> data to a spread sheet to compare various models. Each model in my branches
> represents a different concept or trial. This will be my next ordeal by
> fire. Basically you just have to work with the program and experiment. It
> is a great tool! Lots of back-ups so you don't have to back track too far
> when things crash.
> Bruce Easterbrook P.Eng.
> Abode Engineering
>
>
>
> I haven’t fully grasped yet the potential/limitations of the parametric
> reports feature, but for comparing different systems and such I generally
> create two different files (preserving the effort put into the geometries by
> saving a copy and going backwards in the second file).
>
>
>
> Hope this helps,
>
>
>
> ~Nick
>
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>
> * *
>
> *NICK CATON, E.I.T.***
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org [
> mailto:equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org<equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org>]
> On Behalf Of Nicholas Couture, LEED AP
> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 2:40 PM
> To: equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
> Subject: [Equest-users] eQuest Project Methodology
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Good Afternoon eQuest users,
>
>
>
> I have a general question that I am wondering what is the method that
>
> people are using to model with eQuest. For example I have done a couple
>
> projects in it (always with a backup in HAP), and I only use the
>
> schematic wizard or DD wizard for monthly energy estimates, because I do
>
> not understand the detailed inputs and how it works, but I would like
>
> to. Are most people using these wizards and then get into the detailed
>
> modeling or do you go straight into detailed parametric modeling? Can
>
> you and do you get into detail modeling of the building with all spaces
>
> and zones, or do you generalize the building zones as the tutorial
>
> recommends, and is it worthwhile to import autoCAD files to help model
>
> the building? Can you compare several different building models in the
>
> same file and show comparison reports? I have found that the EEM wizard
>
> is limited to modifying one system.
>
>
>
> Any responses on all facets of the program are welcome.
>
>
>
>
>
> Nick Couture, LEED AP
>
> Jr. Mechanical Engineer
>
>
>
>
>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Patrick J. O'Leary, Jr." <poleary1969 at gmail.com>
> To: Bruce Easterbrook <bruce5 at bellnet.ca>
> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:37:07 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Equest-users] eQuest Project Methodology
> one important thing i've found to keep equest from crashing when in wizard
> mode is to only do one thing at a time. i.e. if you're editing shells only
> edit shells. quit the wizard, save & exit, backup the directory (or at
> least the .pd2 file). if you're ready to edit hvac restart equest, edit
> only hvac systems - nothing else. quit wizard, save & exit, backup. same
> for service water heating & site. the key seems to be switching from
> editing one item class (shell, hvac, hot water, site) to another item class
> causes equest to crash in wizard mode. detailed mode is not the same
> condition as it doesn't use the wizards.
>
> Bruce Easterbrook wrote:
>
> Hi Nick and Nick,
> I have spent a year or so using E-Quest and a decade using different forms
> of the DOE engine and other various modelling programs. I also have 20
> years with ASHRAE. I'm not an expert with E-quest but have spent some crazy
> hours on it. I only recent discovered this forum and for a year toiled in
> darkness. I will insert my comments below.
>
> Nick Caton wrote:
>
> Hi Nick (I like your name!),
>
>
>
> I’m an intermediate learner and user of eQuest (not an expert/developer),
> so your perspective may match mine some months down the road. Here’s my
> short/sweet answers – obviously different for others but here we go:
>
>
>
> … I only use the schematic wizard or DD wizard for monthly energy
> estimates, because I do not understand the detailed inputs and how it works,
> but I would like to.
>
> I always start with the SD and an Autocad drawing. Get the basics in
> (geometry and basic construction) and let the program size everything. Size
> windows and doors on percentages, standard everything. The initial key is
> to get the program running and not freezing. Look at the error reports and
> fix them, or at least the one which matter. Some of the errors are not
> really errors. Once that is looking good do a save as and start a new
> branch. Get into the DD and start tweaking. One at a time, save and start
> a new branch each time.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Pasha Korber-Gonzalez <pasha.pkconsulting at gmail.com>
> To: Bruce Easterbrook <bruce5 at bellnet.ca>
> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 22:27:47 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Equest-users] eQuest Project Methodology
> Nick-(who asked the question),
>
> In-short, I have over 10 yrs simulation experience. Started using DOE2.1e
> in code form before there was a user interface--thank god for user
> interfaces, and especially ones that are free--such as eQuest. I've been
> using eQuest since 2004.
>
> My responses are inserted as follows:
> Pasha Korber
> PK Consulting
>
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Bruce Easterbrook <bruce5 at bellnet.ca>wrote:
>
>> Hi Nick and Nick,
>> I have spent a year or so using E-Quest and a decade using different forms
>> of the DOE engine and other various modelling programs. I also have 20
>> years with ASHRAE. I'm not an expert with E-quest but have spent some crazy
>> hours on it. I only recent discovered this forum and for a year toiled in
>> darkness. I will insert my comments below.
>>
>> Nick Caton wrote:
>>
>> Hi Nick (I like your name!),
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m an intermediate learner and user of eQuest (not an expert/developer),
>> so your perspective may match mine some months down the road. Here’s my
>> short/sweet answers – obviously different for others but here we go:
>>
>>
>>
>> … I only use the schematic wizard or DD wizard for monthly energy
>> estimates, because I do not understand the detailed inputs and how it works,
>> but I would like to.
>>
>> I always start with the SD and an Autocad drawing. Get the basics in
>> (geometry and basic construction) and let the program size everything. Size
>> windows and doors on percentages, standard everything. The initial key is
>> to get the program running and not freezing. Look at the error reports and
>> fix them, or at least the one which matter. Some of the errors are not
>> really errors. Once that is looking good do a save as and start a new
>> branch. Get into the DD and start tweaking. One at a time, save and start
>> a new branch each time.
>>
>> I always start with the DD Wizard and then switch to DDedit mode. I
>> suppose there isn't much difference in which wizard you start with the
>> primary reason for using a wizard to start is to (on a basic level)
>> establish: 1) the building type & applicable building schedules (i.e. MFHR
>> vs. Office.), 2) Custom building footprint & zoning (always import a CAD
>> file if you can, I have done the xy-coordinate input and it is not fun., 3)
>> input your overall basic parameters from a 'one-input to all-zones' approach
>> including LPD's, Zonal controls, occupancy/sqft, etc. The wizards are great
>> for your basic level-all applicable inputs for the whole building.--In
>> DDedit mode you do this zone by zone--large/complex buildings can have 100's
>> of zones. You'll need to learn and get comfortable with DDedit mode, good
>> simulations are performed in this mode. Results of the wizard inputs are
>> too broad especially for compliance simulations.
>>
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> I use eQuest primarily as an energy modeling tool, and only rarely as a
>> design (loads calculation) tool. eQuest is great for making energy-concious
>> design decisions (i.e. will option A or B save me more $$/yr?), and powerful
>> with regards to modeling for LEED and such, but it’s a big clunker if all
>> you need are loads to size equipment. I started with the same thoughts as
>> you, but now regard the wizards as a tremendous time-saver to set yourself
>> up for “real” work in the detailed mode.
>>
>>
>>
>> Are most people using these wizards and then get into the detailed
>>
>> modeling or do you go straight into detailed parametric modeling?
>>
>> I use it initially to size systems, basic heat loss for the building, and
>> then start dealing with ASHRAE 62.1. It will dominate all loads. Still let
>> the program size everything. Start your zoning. Everything in incremental
>> steps, save and branch before each new step. I do not recommend going
>> straight to detailed modelling. The program is quirky and doesn't like
>> certain things or methods. If it crashes your error messages are limited
>> and cryptic. You could easily get 20 to 40 hours into a building detail and
>> the program won't run. You can then spend half that trying to figure out
>> what is wrong. If you can't, you go back to square one. Been there done
>> that. It is smarter to have a saved tail, you only have to go back a step
>> or two and work out the difficulty. Preserve the file, start a new branch.
>> Remember this program is huge and complex and very picky. It produces 500+
>> pages of data. One major error and it freezes. Keep it running!
>>
>> See answer above, and parametric modeling is used primarily for
>> ECM's--this is how you compare "different models" in the same file--for LEED
>> complaince, technically you would build the proposed model in the file and
>> then use the parametric runs to run your baseline parameters for the
>> baseline model. The approach here is to build your proposed building design
>> model and then "back off" the design values to the ASHRAE (or other)
>> baseline values, thus creating your baseline simulation.
>>
>> For a complex model, I use the DD or SD wizards to the fullest extent,
>> then spend most of my time tweaking things within the detailed mode for most
>> projects. I occasionally spend a small amount of time delving into typing
>> stuff up in the .inp file to account for specific things, but I didn’t begin
>> picking that up until I had a number of projects under my belt.
>>
>>
>>
>> …do you get into detail modeling of the building with all spaces
>>
>> and zones…
>>
>> You go as complex as the job requires. I so far have managed to stay out
>> of tweaking the .inp file. I prefer to tweak/trick the program using the
>> DD. There are many ways to skin a cat, you just have to find the way the
>> program accepts your input to get your tweak. There are many run arounds
>> mentioned in the forum to accomplish different tasks. Remember this program
>> is evolving. It is state of the art but that is changing fast.
>>
>> I had a project about a year ago that was an ice rink. DOE2.2 can do
>> this simulation, but eQuest has not developed a formal module to make ice
>> rink inputs easy for the user. In this case I had no choice but to go into
>> the .inp file in order to get out what I needed. (This is where the
>> flashbacks come from the programming classes back in engineering school.)
>> If I don't have to do it, then everythings is better for it--it's just
>> another complex level of this already complex software--isn't it amazing
>> though that there are software programs that are doing these types of
>> simulations? Just wait until dynamic system simulation becomes
>> available--just think of the modeling problems we will have then? lol
>>
>> I try to model as much of the geometries as I can in the wizards. I have
>> edited/created geometries/rooms/zones/etc… after the fact (it’s not as hard
>> as it seems). It is unquestionably faster and less prone to error within
>> the wizards however.
>>
>>
>>
>> …or do you generalize the building zones as the tutorial recommends…
>>
>> Yes, start simple, go to complex.
>>
>> Simplify as much as possible, but be sure not to over simplify--when
>> this happens you delete the file you were working on and start all over.
>> Modeling is like chess-you have to plan your moves before you execute them.
>>
>>
>> Yes. Same overriding concept as any loads calc program (like HAP).
>>
>>
>>
>> and is it worthwhile to import autoCAD files to help model
>>
>> the building?
>>
>>
>>
>> Absolutely.
>>
>> The only way to go. Input points anti-clock wise.
>>
>> yep.
>>
>> Can you compare several different building models in the
>>
>> same file and show comparison reports?
>>
>> Yes, by way of using the parametric runs to establish your ECM's. In the
> parametric runs you have a lot of flexibility of what you change. I also
> learned last year, when I took a training class from Marlin Addison, that we
> can use Global Parameters to set up simplified inputs to the model and then
> use these inputs to quickly and easily change the inputs to run our
> ECM's--with this approach however, it is changing the whole model file and
> outputs which doesn't allow you to look at more than one model in the same
> file. The global parameters thing is a really cool feature, but I haven't
> had the chance & time to really use it--besides the inputs are based on
> if-then type programming, and like I said earlier-programming languages
> really make my head spin. I can never get the programming right in the
> global parameters when I try it. Some people are really good with it and
> use this input approach all the time. For the comparison reports, when
> using the parametric runs option eQuest has programmed in some great reports
> and graphs that show the annual & monthly energy savings for your ECMs. If
> this is what you want from eQuest, then use the parametric runs option.
>
>
>> Not sure, haven't tried that feature yet. I have lately been taking my
>> data to a spread sheet to compare various models. Each model in my branches
>> represents a different concept or trial. This will be my next ordeal by
>> fire. Basically you just have to work with the program and experiment. It
>> is a great tool! Lots of back-ups so you don't have to back track too far
>> when things crash.--I do this too like Bruce, I keep file copies for all
>> the "milestones" I reach in my model, or all the trials I'm doing--this is
>> especially helpful when you have complex HVAC system inputs and then the
>> program crashes and you can't remember which step in your inputs made it
>> crash--with no solution. So in this case I can back-track a few steps,
>> instead of loosing the whole project because the file became corrupt or
>> unfixable from crash errors.
>> Bruce Easterbrook P.Eng.
>> Abode Engineering
>>
>> I haven’t fully grasped yet the potential/limitations of the
>> parametric reports feature, but for comparing different systems and such I
>> generally create two different files (preserving the effort put into the
>> geometries by saving a copy and going backwards in the second file).
>>
>> In support of Nick's approach--I use the parametric runs for my basic
>> ECM's (i.e. daylighting-no daylighting, increased insulation, improved
>> glazing, etc.) For more complex ECM's like simulating complex HVAC systems
>> including (geothermal, radiant cooling, etc.), I do the "save as" thing like
>> Nick and create a new file. For situations like this the HVAC system is so
>> complex (in terms of eQuest capabilities) the baseline plant equipment is
>> always way different then the plant equipment I need to input for the
>> proposed high-tech HVAC system. In every case though, I assume we all do it
>> by trial-and-error, every time we do a model...
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>>
>>
>>
>> ~Nick
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org [
>> mailto:equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org<equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org>]
>> On Behalf Of Nicholas Couture, LEED AP
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 2:40 PM
>> To: equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
>> Subject: [Equest-users] eQuest Project Methodology
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Good Afternoon eQuest users,
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a general question that I am wondering what is the method that
>>
>> people are using to model with eQuest. For example I have done a couple
>>
>> projects in it (always with a backup in HAP), and I only use the
>>
>> schematic wizard or DD wizard for monthly energy estimates, because I do
>>
>> not understand the detailed inputs and how it works, but I would like
>>
>> to. Are most people using these wizards and then get into the detailed
>>
>> modeling or do you go straight into detailed parametric modeling? Can
>>
>> you and do you get into detail modeling of the building with all spaces
>>
>> and zones, or do you generalize the building zones as the tutorial
>>
>> recommends, and is it worthwhile to import autoCAD files to help model
>>
>> the building? Can you compare several different building models in the
>>
>> same file and show comparison reports? I have found that the EEM wizard
>>
>> is limited to modifying one system.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any responses on all facets of the program are welcome.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Nick Couture, LEED AP
>>
>> Jr. Mechanical Engineer
>>
>>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Supriya Goel <supriyagoel at gmail.com>
> To: jeff at sharpenotes.com
> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 00:39:30 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Urgent Message
> Hi,
>
> I am a graduate student at Arizona State University, and have just started
> working on Equest.
>
> I just read these mails to get an idea of all that possible on Equest, I
> dont understand most of the questions or answers, and Nick your mail is real
> good advise for anyone new to the world of building simulation!
>
> Thank You.
>
> Regards
> Supriya
>
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 5:08 PM, <jeff at sharpenotes.com> wrote:
>
>> Wonderful response Nick.
>> Wise words for a bunch of us.
>> Muchas Gracias!
>> J#
>> ************************************************************
>> Jeffery Sharpe, PE
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Urgent Message
>> From: "Nick Caton" <ncaton at smithboucher.com>
>> Date: Wed, November 04, 2009 2:40 pm
>> To: <curt.strobehn at eesinet.com>, <equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org>
>>
>> Curt,
>>
>> First, as you’ve hopefully gathered, you have already found the “tech
>> support” department for eQuest (at least in my eyes): the [Equest-users]
>> and [Bldg-sim] mailing lists hosted at onebuilding.org.
>>
>> Let me summarize and add to some of the key advice (which I fully agree
>> with) that’s been posted so far. This advice is general and should be
>> considered well by any eQuest beginner:
>>
>>
>> 1. *Hard truth*: You *should not be expected* to become fully
>> proficient with a program as expansive and powerful as eQuest within a
>> week. Anyone believing this (yourself included) needs a reality check. If
>> that is truly a hard deadline and the modeling must be done with eQuest, you
>> are best advised to find a local mentor (i.e. do not solo this) and/or
>> compensate another energy modeling consultant to get the work done on time
>> (and walk you through the model so that you can manipulate and ask
>> questions). Alternatively, use a program you’re more familiar with.
>>
>> a. *Soft truth*: Truly lucky is the individual who gets to learn
>> energy modeling software outside of a hard deadline with a simple building
>> (students pay attention!). To that end, as a group we’re generally
>> sympathetic to the “trial-by-fire” situation that a lot of us went through.
>> Take care not to let your emotions get in the way of learning/help.
>>
>> b. Design engineers/consultants such as yourself will inevitably
>> spend long hours at first making less accurate models, but as you invest the
>> hours learning the ins and outs can look forward to more accurate models
>> produced at a much quicker pace.
>>
>> c. In a literal sense, the statement that learning to model
>> building will take years is an understatement. Anybody who tells you they
>> know all there is to know is lying through their teeth. The most
>> intelligent modelers never stop learning. *That said*, it is not
>> unrealistic to produce your first model in a week, understanding and
>> accepting it will not be the most accurate model you will ever build.
>>
>> 2. Your primary source for any question regarding the operation of
>> eQuest/DOE2 should start by right clicking the field in question and pulling
>> up the appropriate help file. You can also search from there.
>>
>> 3. Your secondary source for any question regarding eQuest, or
>> items in the help files you need a layman’s explanation of, should be to
>> search the mailing list archives. Odds are a majority of the questions
>> you’ll have have already been asked/answered (BOOKMARK/FAVORITE THESE):
>>
>> a. http://lists.onebuilding.org/pipermail/bldg-sim-onebuilding.org/
>>
>> b.
>> http://lists.onebuilding.org/pipermail/equest-users-onebuilding.org/
>>
>> 4. A tertiary source is to google a specific topic that hasn’t come
>> up. It’s a big internet out there.
>>
>> 5. It’s apparent from the tone of your email that you’ve got to
>> take a chill pill =)! It’s understandable to be unimpressed with the “lack
>> of technical support,” but only to the extent that you weren’t previously
>> aware of the huge international body of
>> scientists/engineers/designers/practicers of building energy modeling here
>> at these mailing lists. I’ll venture there is a lot more to be learned here
>> than at any 1-800 tech support number for any modeling package out there.
>>
>> 6. Remember – in a support forum like this, where the majority of
>> helpful responders are doing so of their own good-will (it’s not our job), a
>> few key things apply that normally don’t with a “tech support” line:
>>
>> a. The most detailed & informative answers consistently come from
>> detailed & informative questions.
>>
>> i. I
>> believe a majority of unanswered queries are due to questions not being
>> completely posed. Always explain what you have tried, what hasn’t worked,
>> what clues you have etc. to the best of your ability.
>>
>> ii. There’s
>> a sizeable academic crowd subscribed to these lists that may not be inclined
>> to respond if it’s apparent you haven’t looked up the basics for the
>> topic-at-hand.
>>
>> b. Pay it forward =). The best learning comes from teaching/sharing
>> knowledge with others, and individuals you help out are more likely to
>> return the favor!
>>
>> c. Politeness is a rule, not an option.
>>
>> d. Good grammar (at least for a native English speaker) is a rule,
>> not an option. It will become apparent if it hasn’t already that this is an
>> international body of subscribers with knowledgeable professionals that
>> simply won’t waste their time trying to decipher poorly written inquiries.
>> Proof your questions/responses.
>>
>> This isn’t all specific to your situation Curt, but I’ve been wanting to
>> write this up for a while so that I can refer others to some of this basic
>> info. Best of luck, and I hope we’ll all see more of you here!
>>
>> ~Nick
>>
>> **
>> * *
>> *NICK CATON, E.I.T.***
>> PROJECT ENGINEER
>> 25501 west valley parkway
>> olathe ks 66061
>> direct 913 344.0036
>> fax 913 345.0617
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>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org [
>> mailto:equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org<equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org>]
>> On Behalf Of Kevin Kyte
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 2:08 PM
>> To: 'equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org'
>> Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Urgent Message
>>
>>
>>
>> Learning how to do computer simulations for buildings from scratch without
>> a mentor will take years.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From: Chris Wark [mailto:cwark at rumseyengineers.com<cwark at rumseyengineers.com>
>> ]
>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:31 PM
>>
>> To:; 'equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org'
>>
>> Subject:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Curt,
>>
>> Welcome to the world of FREE software. Energy, airflow, and design
>> software packages with an actual market value usually do come with more
>> extensive training material, but in this case, the fastest way to learn
>> eQUEST is to look at as much of the built-in help as possible by right
>> clicking on any input field. In fact, the built-in help documents are rather
>> extensive for FREE software (perhaps because it was developed through
>> government and utility grants). Beyond the help documents, the only way to
>> learn common work-arounds is through users forums. I have found that users
>> are pretty responsive on this one.
>>
>> Good luck.
>>
>>
>>
>> Christopher Wark
>>
>> Project Engineer
>>
>> ___________________________
>>
>> RUMSEY
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
>> ___________________________
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From: equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org [
>> mailto:equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org<equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org>]
>> On Behalf Of Curtis Strobehn
>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 10:18 AM
>>
>> To: equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
>>
>> Subject: [Equest-users] Urgent Message
>>
>>
>>
>> I am under a dead line and I'm have trouble with Equest
>>
>> IS there any training DVD videos of any kind for Equest?
>>
>> If there where training Video's at one time there should be a back copy or
>>
>> some other source?
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm sure there has to be a video somewhere!
>>
>> I even tried www.youtube.com and couldn't find one thing about Equest.
>>
>> I'm just a little upset that I have every little time to get this project
>>
>> done by the 9th November and no training or any Training videos.
>>
>>
>>
>> Tools are only good if you know how to use them and with out any training
>> or
>>
>> training videos, then Equest is useless to me.
>>
>> I have used this Equest before but it was not a complex build like the
>> round
>>
>> building "Kaiser medical Office" in Salem Oregon.
>>
>> Every program I ever used there was some contact info or tutorials on
>> line.
>>
>> This is a first for me and being an Energy Simulation program
>>
>> I'm every surprised there is on contact number or training videos?
>>
>> I HAVE NOT FOUND ANY TECH SUPPORT FOR EQUEST OR ANY CONTACT NUMBER.
>>
>> I'm not to impress with Equest so far.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Curt Strobehn
>>
>> Mechanical Draft/Designer
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> EESI Consulting Engineers
>>
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>>
>> Tel: (541) 754-1062
>>
>> Cell: (541) 829-9628
>>
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>>
>> www.eesinet.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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