[Equest-users] Warning: ECONO-LOW-LIMIT = *UNUSED*

[Adrian Gurga]

Chris,

I understand. For some reason it appears that the wizards will sometimes
generates a DOE2 input which doesn't include the econo-low-limit line and
thereby generates a warning. I'm not sure what causes this to happen, but as
long as the model runs without it, I won't bother. Thanks for direction to
the DOE2 definitions file, that's the one I was looking for. It describes in
detail what econo-low-limit is used for and it probably isn't relevant to my
purposes.  I think we can call this case closed.

On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Otto Schwieterman
<oschwieterman at fhai.com>wrote:

>  I would tweak it in the detailed edit mode because it is very unlikely
> that you can get good results by simply using the wizard. There are too many
> major variables that you cannot change in the wizard. You might as well pick
> the cost/energy consumption via experience if you are not going to go into
> the detailed edit mode.
>
>
>
> If you simply need eQUEST to spit something out so you have results to show
> I would ignore the econo-low-limit but remember that the results mean
> nothing.
>
>
>
> *From:* Adrian Gurga [mailto:gurga at illinois.edu]
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 26, 2010 1:38 PM
> *To:* James Hansen
> *Cc:* equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Equest-users] Warning: ECONO-LOW-LIMIT = *UNUSED*
>
>
>
> Excellent.  Thanks James.  And yes, it's up to us to figure out how to use
> it, which I think qualifies as "no support".  I'm sure the programmers
> responsible for the software are perfectly competent, and I did not mean to
> suggest otherwise.  I suppose what I really meant to say was that the
> software has no customer support, which is understandable because it's free.
>
>
>
>
> Now back to the model.  So one would have to go into the detailed mode in
> order to change this parameter?  If one was to work with a model only via
> the DD wizard as we sometimes do for order of magnitude estimates, would it
> be OK to leave ecnono-low-limit unused? or would this result in inaccurate
> results?
>
> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 12:22 PM, James Hansen <JHANSEN at ghtltd.com> wrote:
>
> See below.  Also, the technical support isn’t “very poor”, it’s just that
> the people working on technical issues are actually programmers.  It’s up to
> us to figure out how to use it properly.
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> *From:* equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:
> equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] *On Behalf Of *Adrian Gurga
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 26, 2010 1:13 PM
>
>
> *To:* equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Equest-users] Warning: ECONO-LOW-LIMIT = *UNUSED*
>
>
>
> Carol,
>
>
>
> With all due respect, "Only to input the temperature and to look at your
> help screen." is not a complete sentence.  Please reply using English if
> you'd like to post on a listserv.  If you have advice on how to address this
> warning, please provide it.  Additionally, "Flaming" (
> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=flaming) is a behavior
> typically reserved for prepubescents on chat forums, not professional
> listservs.  Please show some professional courtesy in your responses.  Now,
> let's move forward amicably and discuss the actual topic of the post.
>
>
>
> All,
>
>
>
> We all know that as eQUEST is free software, it has very poor technical
> support which is why listservs like this exist.  Here is the research I've
> done so far.  Inputting a seach for "econo-low-limit" or even just "econo"
> in the eQUEST helpfile produces no results.  Are there "pull down help
> menus" which discuss this topic as Carol suggests?  If so, please direct me
> to them.  Googling "econo-low-limit" produces one relevent hit other than
> this listserv, a user poses the same question I have, but is issue is never
> resolved (http://www.energymodelhelp.com/SMF/index.php?topic=107.0 ).  A
> search of "econo-low-limit" on this listserv will yield five results.  In
> four of these, "econo-low-limit" is simply listed as an input, in the fifth,
> it is suggested as a way of manipulating the model.  However, I cannot find
> anywhere on this listserv where the warning "econo-low-limit" = unused has
> been discussed.  Therefore, I assume it's a reasonable to post and and I
> hope it will be helpful to future users.
>
>
>
> I can't figure out where to specify an econo-low-limit in the DD wizard, if
> I need to go into the detailed edit to address this, please let me know
> where that variable is edited.  I have attempted to edit the files manually
> in notepad to specify an econo-low-limit, so far have had no luck, but
> truthfully I'm not too experienced with manual edits.  If anyone could
> provide some assistance with where to edit this parameter, it would be
> appreciated.  Alternatively, if this warning does not have detrimental
> impact on the outputs, I will just ignore it.
>
>
>
> Thanks for your thoughts and comments.
>
>
>
> --
> Adrian Gurga
> Smart Energy Design Assistance Center
> University of Illinois - Urbana-Champaign
> www.sedac.org
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>
> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Carol Gardner <cmg750 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> That was polite, Jason. Users of this list need to be responsible enough to
> at least look at the pull down help menus before asking a question on the
> listserv, It is impolite and wasteful of everyone's time to not do so. I
> have sympathy for someone who is learning but if they really care to learn
> this skill and be in the business they need to learn to at least try to find
> the answers they need. Perhaps the college systems have changed, which would
> be a shame, but when I was in school I had to research and find my own
> answers. Since I'm older than dirt we didn't have listservs, Google, or any
> of those useful tools that now make finding answers so much easier.
>
> I rest my case,
>
> Carol
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Jason Glazer <jglazer at gard.com> wrote:
>
> Carol,
>
> The eQUEST-user mailing list is for users of all experience levels:
>
> "The eQUEST-users  mailing list is for everyone that uses the eQUEST
> program. Users at every experience level are encouraged to join this mailing
> list and share their questions and knowledge. Users of the DOE-2.2 and
> D2Comply are also welcome. The mailing list will be a user-to-user support
> forum for eQUEST, DOE-2.2, and D2Comply."
>
> We appreciate your contribution but please either reply politely or not at
> all.
>
> Jason
>
>
>
> On 8/26/2010 9:29 AM, Carol Gardner wrote:
>
>  Only to input the temperature and to look at your help screen. This is
> something you really should be able to figure out yourself. If you can't
> try another profession.
>
> Carol
>
> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Adrian Gurga <gurga at illinois.edu
>
> <mailto:gurga at illinois.edu>> wrote:
>
>    I am working with a model and am working with the following warning
>    whenever it runs the BDL Load File Log
>
>    Line  1336:  Warning Encountered:
>       INPUT-TYPE COEFFICIENTS ..
>      ECONO-LOW-LIMIT = *UNUSED*
>
>    Any ideas?
>
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>    Adrian Gurga
>    Smart Energy Design Assistance Center
>    University of Illinois - Urbana-Champaign
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