[Equest-users] Warning: ECONO-LOW-LIMIT = *UNUSED*

[Chris Jones]

*UNUSED* means the system you choose doesn't use the ECONO-LOW-LIMIT 
keyword. Therefore, adding a value to the keyword will not make any 
difference to the results.
You can get a great, detailed overview of all the keywords and where 
they apply if you spend some time going through 
BDLKEY.OUT.  Unfortunately, the equest interface allows you to 
quickly generate a model before you have any understanding of the 
underlying DOE22 engine and the myriad of keywords that equest 
assumes you need to use.



At 06:13 PM 26/08/2010, Carol Gardner wrote:
>If you have an economizer you had better put the econo-low-limit 
>temperature in. It is necessary. You can access help screens in DD 
>edit also. Once again I encourage you to read the on line help using 
>the pull down menu. I do believe econo-low-limit temp is available 
>in the wizards too.
>
>
>On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Adrian Gurga 
><<mailto:gurga at illinois.edu>gurga at illinois.edu> wrote:
>
>Chris,
>
>I understand. For some reason it appears that the wizards will 
>sometimes generates a DOE2 input which doesn't include the 
>econo-low-limit line and thereby generates a warning. I'm not sure 
>what causes this to happen, but as long as the model runs without 
>it, I won't bother. Thanks for direction to the DOE2 definitions 
>file, that's the one I was looking for. It describes in detail what 
>econo-low-limit is used for and it probably isn't relevant to my 
>purposes.  I think we can call this case closed.
>
>On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Otto Schwieterman 
><<mailto:oschwieterman at fhai.com>oschwieterman at fhai.com> wrote:
>
>I would tweak it in the detailed edit mode because it is very 
>unlikely that you can get good results by simply using the wizard. 
>There are too many major variables that you cannot change in the 
>wizard. You might as well pick the cost/energy consumption via 
>experience if you are not going to go into the detailed edit mode.
>
>
>
>If you simply need eQUEST to spit something out so you have results 
>to show I would ignore the econo-low-limit but remember that the 
>results mean nothing.
>
>
>
>From: Adrian Gurga [mailto:gurga at illinois.edu]
>Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 1:38 PM
>To: James Hansen
>Cc: 
><mailto:equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org>equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
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>Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Warning: ECONO-LOW-LIMIT = *UNUSED*
>
>
>
>Excellent.  Thanks James.  And yes, it's up to us to figure out how 
>to use it, which I think qualifies as "no support".  I'm sure the 
>programmers responsible for the software are perfectly competent, 
>and I did not mean to suggest otherwise.  I suppose what I really 
>meant to say was that the software has no customer support, which is 
>understandable because it's free.
>
>
>
>Now back to the model.  So one would have to go into the detailed 
>mode in order to change this parameter?  If one was to work with a 
>model only via the DD wizard as we sometimes do for order of 
>magnitude estimates, would it be OK to leave ecnono-low-limit 
>unused? or would this result in inaccurate results?
>
>On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 12:22 PM, James Hansen 
><<mailto:JHANSEN at ghtltd.com>JHANSEN at ghtltd.com> wrote:
>
>See below.  Also, the technical support isn't "very poor", it's just 
>that the people working on technical issues are actually 
>programmers.  It's up to us to figure out how to use it properly.
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>From: 
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>[mailto:equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Gurga
>Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 1:13 PM
>
>
>To: 
><mailto:equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org>equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
>Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Warning: ECONO-LOW-LIMIT = *UNUSED*
>
>
>
>Carol,
>
>
>
>With all due respect, "Only to input the temperature and to look at 
>your help screen." is not a complete sentence.  Please reply using 
>English if you'd like to post on a listserv.  If you have advice on 
>how to address this warning, please provide it.  Additionally, 
>"Flaming" 
>(<http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=flaming>http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=flaming) 
>is a behavior typically reserved for prepubescents on chat forums, 
>not professional listservs.  Please show some professional courtesy 
>in your responses.  Now, let's move forward amicably and discuss the 
>actual topic of the post.
>
>
>
>All,
>
>
>
>We all know that as eQUEST is free software, it has very poor 
>technical support which is why listservs like this exist.  Here is 
>the research I've done so far.  Inputting a seach for 
>"econo-low-limit" or even just "econo" in the eQUEST helpfile 
>produces no results.  Are there "pull down help menus" which discuss 
>this topic as Carol suggests?  If so, please direct me to 
>them.  Googling "econo-low-limit" produces one relevent hit other 
>than this listserv, a user poses the same question I have, but is 
>issue is never resolved 
>(<http://www.energymodelhelp.com/SMF/index.php?topic=107.0>http://www.energymodelhelp.com/SMF/index.php?topic=107.0 
>).  A search of "econo-low-limit" on this listserv will yield five 
>results.  In four of these, "econo-low-limit" is simply listed as an 
>input, in the fifth, it is suggested as a way of manipulating the 
>model.  However, I cannot find anywhere on this listserv where the 
>warning "econo-low-limit" = unused has been discussed.  Therefore, I 
>assume it's a reasonable to post and and I hope it will be helpful 
>to future users.
>
>
>
>I can't figure out where to specify an econo-low-limit in the DD 
>wizard, if I need to go into the detailed edit to address this, 
>please let me know where that variable is edited.  I have attempted 
>to edit the files manually in notepad to specify an econo-low-limit, 
>so far have had no luck, but truthfully I'm not too experienced with 
>manual edits.  If anyone could provide some assistance with where to 
>edit this parameter, it would be appreciated.  Alternatively, if 
>this warning does not have detrimental impact on the outputs, I will 
>just ignore it.
>
>
>
>Thanks for your thoughts and comments.
>
>
>
>--
>Adrian Gurga
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>University of Illinois - Urbana-Champaign
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>On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Carol Gardner 
><<mailto:cmg750 at gmail.com>cmg750 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>That was polite, Jason. Users of this list need to be responsible 
>enough to at least look at the pull down help menus before asking a 
>question on the listserv, It is impolite and wasteful of everyone's 
>time to not do so. I have sympathy for someone who is learning but 
>if they really care to learn this skill and be in the business they 
>need to learn to at least try to find the answers they need. Perhaps 
>the college systems have changed, which would be a shame, but when I 
>was in school I had to research and find my own answers. Since I'm 
>older than dirt we didn't have listservs, Google, or any of those 
>useful tools that now make finding answers so much easier.
>
>I rest my case,
>
>Carol
>
>
>
>On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Jason Glazer 
><<mailto:jglazer at gard.com>jglazer at gard.com> wrote:
>
>Carol,
>
>The eQUEST-user mailing list is for users of all experience levels:
>
>"The eQUEST-users  mailing list is for everyone that uses the eQUEST 
>program. Users at every experience level are encouraged to join this 
>mailing list and share their questions and knowledge. Users of the 
>DOE-2.2 and D2Comply are also welcome. The mailing list will be a 
>user-to-user support forum for eQUEST, DOE-2.2, and D2Comply."
>
>We appreciate your contribution but please either reply politely or 
>not at all.
>
>Jason
>
>
>
>On 8/26/2010 9:29 AM, Carol Gardner wrote:
>
>Only to input the temperature and to look at your help screen. This is
>something you really should be able to figure out yourself. If you can't
>try another profession.
>
>Carol
>
>On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Adrian Gurga 
><<mailto:gurga at illinois.edu>gurga at illinois.edu
>
><mailto:gurga at illinois.edu>> wrote:
>
>    I am working with a model and am working with the following warning
>    whenever it runs the BDL Load File Log
>
>    Line  1336:  Warning Encountered:
>       INPUT-TYPE COEFFICIENTS ..
>      ECONO-LOW-LIMIT = *UNUSED*
>
>    Any ideas?
>
>    --
>    Adrian Gurga
>    Smart Energy Design Assistance Center
>    University of Illinois - Urbana-Champaign
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