[Equest-users] Warning: ECONO-LOW-LIMIT = *UNUSED*
Chris Jones
cj at enersave.ca
Fri Aug 27 07:50:20 PDT 2010
BDLKEY.bin is the binary record file of
BDLKEY.out - a text file. I can't find where/if
equest installs this file. It is installed when
you install DOE2.2 (command line version). I zipped it, attached.
At 10:35 AM 27/08/2010, Tim Johnson wrote:
>Chris,
>I have used eQuest for a few years now and have
>not looked at the BDLKEY.OUT file. It sounds
>like it would be a great tool for understanding
>what eQuest is doing. Where can I find this
>file? I found a BDLKEY.bin file, but that
>doesn't seem to open right in notepad++.
>Thanks,
>Tim
>
> >>> Chris Jones <cj at enersave.ca> 8/27/2010 6:34 AM >>>
>*UNUSED* means the system you choose doesn't use
>the ECONO-LOW-LIMIT keyword. Therefore, adding a
>value to the keyword will not make any difference to the results.
>You can get a great, detailed overview of all
>the keywords and where they apply if you spend
>some time going through
>BDLKEY.OUT. Unfortunately, the equest interface
>allows you to quickly generate a model before
>you have any understanding of the underlying
>DOE22 engine and the myriad of keywords that equest assumes you need to use.
>
>
>
>At 06:13 PM 26/08/2010, Carol Gardner wrote:
>>If you have an economizer you had better put
>>the econo-low-limit temperature in. It is
>>necessary. You can access help screens in DD
>>edit also. Once again I encourage you to read
>>the on line help using the pull down menu. I do
>>believe econo-low-limit temp is available in the wizards too.
>>
>>
>>On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Adrian Gurga
>><<mailto:gurga at illinois.edu>gurga at illinois.edu> wrote:
>>Chris,
>>I understand. For some reason it appears that
>>the wizards will sometimes generates a DOE2
>>input which doesn't include the econo-low-limit
>>line and thereby generates a warning. I'm not
>>sure what causes this to happen, but as long as
>>the model runs without it, I won't bother.
>>Thanks for direction to the DOE2 definitions
>>file, that's the one I was looking for. It
>>describes in detail what econo-low-limit is
>>used for and it probably isn't relevant to my
>>purposes. I think we can call this case closed.
>>On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Otto
>>Schwieterman <<mailto:oschwieterman at fhai.com>oschwieterman at fhai.com > wrote:
>>
>>I would tweak it in the detailed edit mode
>>because it is very unlikely that you can get
>>good results by simply using the wizard. There
>>are too many major variables that you cannot
>>change in the wizard. You might as well pick
>>the cost/energy consumption via experience if
>>you are not going to go into the detailed edit mode.
>>
>>
>>
>>If you simply need eQUEST to spit something out
>>so you have results to show I would ignore the
>>econo-low-limit but remember that the results mean nothing.
>>
>>
>>
>>From: Adrian Gurga [ mailto:gurga at illinois.edu]
>>Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 1:38 PM
>>To: James Hansen
>>Cc:
>><mailto:equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org>equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
>>Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Warning: ECONO-LOW-LIMIT = *UNUSED*
>>
>>
>>
>>Excellent. Thanks James. And yes, it's up to
>>us to figure out how to use it, which I think
>>qualifies as "no support". I'm sure the
>>programmers responsible for the software are
>>perfectly competent, and I did not mean to
>>suggest otherwise. I suppose what I really
>>meant to say was that the software has no
>>customer support, which is understandable because it's free.
>>
>>
>>
>>Now back to the model. So one would have to go
>>into the detailed mode in order to change this
>>parameter? If one was to work with a model
>>only via the DD wizard as we sometimes do for
>>order of magnitude estimates, would it be OK to
>>leave ecnono-low-limit unused? or would this result in inaccurate results?
>>
>>On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 12:22 PM, James Hansen
>><<mailto:JHANSEN at ghtltd.com>JHANSEN at ghtltd.com> wrote:
>>See below. Also, the technical support isnÂt
>>Âvery poorÂ, itÂs just that the people
>>working on technical issues are actually
>>programmers. ItÂs up to us to figure out how to use it properly.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>From:
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>>[ mailto:equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Gurga
>>Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 1:13 PM
>>
>>To:
>><mailto:equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org>equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
>>Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Warning: ECONO-LOW-LIMIT = *UNUSED*
>>
>>
>>
>>Carol,
>>
>>
>>
>>With all due respect, "Only to input the
>>temperature and to look at your help screen."
>>is not a complete sentence. Please reply using
>>English if you'd like to post on a
>>listserv. If you have advice on how to address
>>this warning, please provide it. Additionally,
>>"Flaming" (
>>http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=flaming)
>>is a behavior typically reserved for
>>prepubescents on chat forums, not professional
>>listservs. Please show some professional
>>courtesy in your responses. Now, let's move
>>forward amicably and discuss the actual topic of the post.
>>
>>
>>
>>All,
>>
>>
>>
>>We all know that as eQUEST is free software, it
>>has very poor technical support which is why
>>listservs like this exist. Here is the
>>research I've done so far. Inputting a seach
>>for "econo-low-limit" or even just "econo" in
>>the eQUEST helpfile produces no results. Are
>>there "pull down help menus" which discuss this
>>topic as Carol suggests? If so, please direct
>>me to them. Googling "econo-low-limit"
>>produces one relevent hit other than this
>>listserv, a user poses the same question I
>>have, but is issue is never resolved (
>>http://www.energymodelhelp.com/SMF/index.php?topic=107.0
>>). A search of "econo-low-limit" on this
>>listserv will yield five results. In four of
>>these, "econo-low-limit" is simply listed as an
>>input, in the fifth, it is suggested as a way
>>of manipulating the model. However, I cannot
>>find anywhere on this listserv where the
>>warning "econo-low-limit" = unused has been
>>discussed. Therefore, I assume it's a
>>reasonable to post and and I hope it will be helpful to future users.
>>
>>
>>
>>I can't figure out where to specify an
>>econo-low-limit in the DD wizard, if I need to
>>go into the detailed edit to address this,
>>please let me know where that variable is
>>edited. I have attempted to edit the files
>>manually in notepad to specify an
>>econo-low-limit, so far have had no luck, but
>>truthfully I'm not too experienced with manual
>>edits. If anyone could provide some assistance
>>with where to edit this parameter, it would be
>>appreciated. Alternatively, if this warning
>>does not have detrimental impact on the outputs, I will just ignore it.
>>
>>
>>
>>Thanks for your thoughts and comments.
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Adrian Gurga
>>Smart Energy Design Assistance Center
>>University of Illinois - Urbana-Champaign
>><http://www.sedac.org/>www.sedac.org
>>(217) 244-4671
>>(800) 214-7954
>>
>>
>>
>>On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Carol Gardner
>><<mailto:cmg750 at gmail.com>cmg750 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>That was polite, Jason. Users of this list need
>>to be responsible enough to at least look at
>>the pull down help menus before asking a
>>question on the listserv, It is impolite and
>>wasteful of everyone's time to not do so. I
>>have sympathy for someone who is learning but
>>if they really care to learn this skill and be
>>in the business they need to learn to at least
>>try to find the answers they need. Perhaps the
>>college systems have changed, which would be a
>>shame, but when I was in school I had to
>>research and find my own answers. Since I'm
>>older than dirt we didn't have listservs,
>>Google, or any of those useful tools that now
>>make finding answers so much easier.
>>I rest my case,
>>Carol
>>
>>
>>
>>On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Jason Glazer
>><<mailto:jglazer at gard.com>jglazer at gard.com> wrote:
>>Carol,
>>The eQUEST-user mailing list is for users of all experience levels:
>>"The eQUEST-users mailing list is for everyone
>>that uses the eQUEST program. Users at every
>>experience level are encouraged to join this
>>mailing list and share their questions and
>>knowledge. Users of the DOE-2.2 and D2Comply
>>are also welcome. The mailing list will be a
>>user-to-user support forum for eQUEST, DOE-2.2, and D2Comply."
>>We appreciate your contribution but please
>>either reply politely or not at all.
>>Jason
>>
>>
>>On 8/26/2010 9:29 AM, Carol Gardner wrote:
>>
>>Only to input the temperature and to look at your help screen. This is
>>something you really should be able to figure out yourself. If you can't
>>try another profession.
>>Carol
>>On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Adrian Gurga
>><<mailto:gurga at illinois.edu>gurga at illinois.edu
>>< mailto:gurga at illinois.edu>> wrote:
>> I am working with a model and am working with the following warning
>> whenever it runs the BDL Load File Log
>> Line 1336: Warning Encountered:
>> INPUT-TYPE COEFFICIENTS ..
>> ECONO-LOW-LIMIT = *UNUSED*
>> Any ideas?
>> --
>> Adrian Gurga
>> Smart Energy Design Assistance Center
>> University of Illinois - Urbana-Champaign
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