[Equest-users] Warning: ECONO-LOW-LIMIT = *UNUSED*

Chris Jones cj at enersave.ca
Fri Aug 27 07:50:20 PDT 2010


BDLKEY.bin is the binary record file of 
BDLKEY.out - a text file.  I can't find where/if 
equest installs this file.  It is installed when 
you install DOE2.2 (command line version).  I zipped it, attached.


At 10:35 AM 27/08/2010, Tim Johnson wrote:
>Chris,
>I have used eQuest for a few years now and have 
>not looked at the BDLKEY.OUT file.  It sounds 
>like it would be a great tool for understanding 
>what eQuest is doing.  Where can I find this 
>file?  I found a BDLKEY.bin file, but that 
>doesn't seem to open right in notepad++.
>Thanks,
>Tim
>
> >>> Chris Jones <cj at enersave.ca> 8/27/2010 6:34 AM >>>
>*UNUSED* means the system you choose doesn't use 
>the ECONO-LOW-LIMIT keyword. Therefore, adding a 
>value to the keyword will not make any difference to the results.
>You can get a great, detailed overview of all 
>the keywords and where they apply if you spend 
>some time going through 
>BDLKEY.OUT.  Unfortunately, the equest interface 
>allows you to quickly generate a model before 
>you have any understanding of the underlying 
>DOE22 engine and the myriad of keywords that equest assumes you need to use.
>
>
>
>At 06:13 PM 26/08/2010, Carol Gardner wrote:
>>If you have an economizer you had better put 
>>the econo-low-limit temperature in. It is 
>>necessary. You can access help screens in DD 
>>edit also. Once again I encourage you to read 
>>the on line help using the pull down menu. I do 
>>believe econo-low-limit temp is available in the wizards too.
>>
>>
>>On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Adrian Gurga 
>><<mailto:gurga at illinois.edu>gurga at illinois.edu> wrote:
>>Chris,
>>I understand. For some reason it appears that 
>>the wizards will sometimes generates a DOE2 
>>input which doesn't include the econo-low-limit 
>>line and thereby generates a warning. I'm not 
>>sure what causes this to happen, but as long as 
>>the model runs without it, I won't bother. 
>>Thanks for direction to the DOE2 definitions 
>>file, that's the one I was looking for. It 
>>describes in detail what econo-low-limit is 
>>used for and it probably isn't relevant to my 
>>purposes.  I think we can call this case closed.
>>On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Otto 
>>Schwieterman <<mailto:oschwieterman at fhai.com>oschwieterman at fhai.com > wrote:
>>
>>I would tweak it in the detailed edit mode 
>>because it is very unlikely that you can get 
>>good results by simply using the wizard. There 
>>are too many major variables that you cannot 
>>change in the wizard. You might as well pick 
>>the cost/energy consumption via experience if 
>>you are not going to go into the detailed edit mode.
>>
>>
>>
>>If you simply need eQUEST to spit something out 
>>so you have results to show I would ignore the 
>>econo-low-limit but remember that the results mean nothing.
>>
>>
>>
>>From: Adrian Gurga [ mailto:gurga at illinois.edu]
>>Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 1:38 PM
>>To: James Hansen
>>Cc: 
>><mailto:equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org>equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
>>Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Warning: ECONO-LOW-LIMIT = *UNUSED*
>>
>>
>>
>>Excellent.  Thanks James.  And yes, it's up to 
>>us to figure out how to use it, which I think 
>>qualifies as "no support".  I'm sure the 
>>programmers responsible for the software are 
>>perfectly competent, and I did not mean to 
>>suggest otherwise.  I suppose what I really 
>>meant to say was that the software has no 
>>customer support, which is understandable because it's free.
>>
>>
>>
>>Now back to the model.  So one would have to go 
>>into the detailed mode in order to change this 
>>parameter?  If one was to work with a model 
>>only via the DD wizard as we sometimes do for 
>>order of magnitude estimates, would it be OK to 
>>leave ecnono-low-limit unused? or would this result in inaccurate results?
>>
>>On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 12:22 PM, James Hansen 
>><<mailto:JHANSEN at ghtltd.com>JHANSEN at ghtltd.com> wrote:
>>See below.  Also, the technical support isnÂ’t 
>>“very poor”, it’s just that the people 
>>working on technical issues are actually 
>>programmers.  ItÂ’s up to us to figure out how to use it properly.
>>
>>
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>>From: 
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>>[ mailto:equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Gurga
>>Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 1:13 PM
>>
>>To: 
>><mailto:equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org>equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
>>Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Warning: ECONO-LOW-LIMIT = *UNUSED*
>>
>>
>>
>>Carol,
>>
>>
>>
>>With all due respect, "Only to input the 
>>temperature and to look at your help screen." 
>>is not a complete sentence.  Please reply using 
>>English if you'd like to post on a 
>>listserv.  If you have advice on how to address 
>>this warning, please provide it.  Additionally, 
>>"Flaming" ( 
>>http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=flaming) 
>>is a behavior typically reserved for 
>>prepubescents on chat forums, not professional 
>>listservs.  Please show some professional 
>>courtesy in your responses.  Now, let's move 
>>forward amicably and discuss the actual topic of the post.
>>
>>
>>
>>All,
>>
>>
>>
>>We all know that as eQUEST is free software, it 
>>has very poor technical support which is why 
>>listservs like this exist.  Here is the 
>>research I've done so far.  Inputting a seach 
>>for "econo-low-limit" or even just "econo" in 
>>the eQUEST helpfile produces no results.  Are 
>>there "pull down help menus" which discuss this 
>>topic as Carol suggests?  If so, please direct 
>>me to them.  Googling "econo-low-limit" 
>>produces one relevent hit other than this 
>>listserv, a user poses the same question I 
>>have, but is issue is never resolved ( 
>>http://www.energymodelhelp.com/SMF/index.php?topic=107.0 
>>).  A search of "econo-low-limit" on this 
>>listserv will yield five results.  In four of 
>>these, "econo-low-limit" is simply listed as an 
>>input, in the fifth, it is suggested as a way 
>>of manipulating the model.  However, I cannot 
>>find anywhere on this listserv where the 
>>warning "econo-low-limit" = unused has been 
>>discussed.  Therefore, I assume it's a 
>>reasonable to post and and I hope it will be helpful to future users.
>>
>>
>>
>>I can't figure out where to specify an 
>>econo-low-limit in the DD wizard, if I need to 
>>go into the detailed edit to address this, 
>>please let me know where that variable is 
>>edited.  I have attempted to edit the files 
>>manually in notepad to specify an 
>>econo-low-limit, so far have had no luck, but 
>>truthfully I'm not too experienced with manual 
>>edits.  If anyone could provide some assistance 
>>with where to edit this parameter, it would be 
>>appreciated.  Alternatively, if this warning 
>>does not have detrimental impact on the outputs, I will just ignore it.
>>
>>
>>
>>Thanks for your thoughts and comments.
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Adrian Gurga
>>Smart Energy Design Assistance Center
>>University of Illinois - Urbana-Champaign
>><http://www.sedac.org/>www.sedac.org
>>(217) 244-4671
>>(800) 214-7954
>>
>>
>>
>>On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Carol Gardner 
>><<mailto:cmg750 at gmail.com>cmg750 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>That was polite, Jason. Users of this list need 
>>to be responsible enough to at least look at 
>>the pull down help menus before asking a 
>>question on the listserv, It is impolite and 
>>wasteful of everyone's time to not do so. I 
>>have sympathy for someone who is learning but 
>>if they really care to learn this skill and be 
>>in the business they need to learn to at least 
>>try to find the answers they need. Perhaps the 
>>college systems have changed, which would be a 
>>shame, but when I was in school I had to 
>>research and find my own answers. Since I'm 
>>older than dirt we didn't have listservs, 
>>Google, or any of those useful tools that now 
>>make finding answers so much easier.
>>I rest my case,
>>Carol
>>
>>
>>
>>On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Jason Glazer 
>><<mailto:jglazer at gard.com>jglazer at gard.com> wrote:
>>Carol,
>>The eQUEST-user mailing list is for users of all experience levels:
>>"The eQUEST-users  mailing list is for everyone 
>>that uses the eQUEST program. Users at every 
>>experience level are encouraged to join this 
>>mailing list and share their questions and 
>>knowledge. Users of the DOE-2.2 and D2Comply 
>>are also welcome. The mailing list will be a 
>>user-to-user support forum for eQUEST, DOE-2.2, and D2Comply."
>>We appreciate your contribution but please 
>>either reply politely or not at all.
>>Jason
>>
>>
>>On 8/26/2010 9:29 AM, Carol Gardner wrote:
>>
>>Only to input the temperature and to look at your help screen. This is
>>something you really should be able to figure out yourself. If you can't
>>try another profession.
>>Carol
>>On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Adrian Gurga 
>><<mailto:gurga at illinois.edu>gurga at illinois.edu
>>< mailto:gurga at illinois.edu>> wrote:
>>    I am working with a model and am working with the following warning
>>    whenever it runs the BDL Load File Log
>>    Line  1336:  Warning Encountered:
>>       INPUT-TYPE COEFFICIENTS ..
>>      ECONO-LOW-LIMIT = *UNUSED*
>>    Any ideas?
>>    --
>>    Adrian Gurga
>>    Smart Energy Design Assistance Center
>>    University of Illinois - Urbana-Champaign
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