[Equest-users] results discrepancy between Rainbow report & DOE-2 BEPU report

[Nick Caton]

I messed around with this for a bit and can't get the graphical reports to reference updated CSV entries.  I suspect either these results are read immediately following a simulation and "stored" separately for the rainbow charts, or else the demand/consumption results are read from another location...

I explored manually editing PS-E entries in the SIM file using notepad on this thought.  Didn't work, but in the process stumbled into a means to manually edit and get rid of erroneous warnings/errors in the ATTN report!

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~Nick
[cid:489575314 at 22072009-0ABB]

NICK CATON, P.E.
SENIOR ENGINEER

Smith & Boucher Engineers
25501 west valley parkway, suite 200
olathe, ks 66061
direct 913.344.0036
fax 913.345.0617
www.smithboucher.com

From: Patrick J. O'Leary, Jr. [mailto:poleary1969 at gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 6:25 AM
To: Pasha Korber-Gonzalez
Cc: Nick Caton; eQUEST Users List
Subject: Re: [Equest-users] results discrepancy between Rainbow report & DOE-2 BEPU report

so if you manually change the .csv file to match the .sim file, do the rainbow reports reflect the data properly?

On 7/15/13 11:51 PM, Pasha Korber-Gonzalez wrote:
Hi Nick & Patrick---I've checked the csv file and it is correct as you both have explained it.  The csv file feeds the eQuest reports (not the .sim output file) & the csv file only picks up on the initial utility meters (i.e. EM1/FM1) and therefore the additional energy use/meters are not included or reported to the eQuest output reports (which I refer to as the Rainbow reports for utility usage and demand.)

Therefore based on this finding/confirmation---it is imperative that I feed my client results directly from the DOE-2 .sim file output reports (ie BEPU/BEPS; PS-E) reports to offer the correct energy model output results.   At this level of the model file when there are additional meter or energy production/consumption the standard eQuest output results reports/graphs do not translate the actual model results.

Thanks so much guys for your insight & assistance!!

Pasha

On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Nick Caton <ncaton at smithboucher.com<mailto:ncaton at smithboucher.com>> wrote:
Thanks Patrick, that falls in line with my recollections as well (I'm working from fuzzy memory!).  Perhaps my suggestion is more accurately put that the CSV results file does not pick up on additional meters or energy generation, as may be occurring...

Pasha, since this is fresh and in front of you, would you mind quickly checking/testing if this is the case for us all?

Thanks!

~Nick

[cid:489575314 at 22072009-0ABB]

NICK CATON, P.E.
SENIOR ENGINEER

Smith & Boucher Engineers
25501 west valley parkway, suite 200
olathe, ks 66061
direct 913.344.0036<tel:913.344.0036>
fax 913.345.0617<tel:913.345.0617>
www.smithboucher.com<http://www.smithboucher.com>

From: Patrick J. O'Leary, Jr. [mailto:poleary1969 at gmail.com<mailto:poleary1969 at gmail.com>]
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 11:47 AM
To: Nick Caton
Cc: Pasha Korber-Gonzalez; eQUEST Users List
Subject: Re: [Equest-users] results discrepancy between Rainbow report & DOE-2 BEPU report

the 'rainbow' reports actually pull their data from a separate csv format file named "project name - baseline design_EG_MoEU_ED.csv", not from the .sim file.

you could, in theory, edit the .csv file to make the numbers match.  i haven't tried doing so but since it is only a csv file you'd have to change it every time you run the simulation.

On 7/15/13 9:21 AM, Nick Caton wrote:
I *believe* the "rainbow" graphical reports are specific to only the EM1/FM1 default meters, and if you have included anything else in the way of sub-meters or separate utility rate metering that may not show up in these numbers (but will in the BEPU and other SIM reports).

For this reason, as a matter of course I have moved away from using the graphical reports and opt to use the PSE reports instead when assembling enduse consumption/demand documentation for LEED and similar levels of scrutiny - just to avoid such potential trip-ups.  The graphical reports are still great and useful, but it's good to be aware of what they might not be showing!

~Nick

[cid:489575314 at 22072009-0ABB]

NICK CATON, P.E.
SENIOR ENGINEER

Smith & Boucher Engineers
25501 west valley parkway, suite 200
olathe, ks 66061
direct 913.344.0036<tel:913.344.0036>
fax 913.345.0617<tel:913.345.0617>
www.smithboucher.com<http://www.smithboucher.com>

From: equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org<mailto:equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org> [mailto:equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of Pasha Korber-Gonzalez
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 10:33 AM
To: eQUEST Users List
Subject: [Equest-users] results discrepancy between Rainbow report & DOE-2 BEPU report

Hi fellow modelers;   I've run into something funny this past couple days.  On a couple of my simulations I've noticed that the results numbers in the eQuest Rainbow report are slightly higher (approx 10%) than the output results in my DOE-2 BEPU report.

I've never observed this happening before--has anyone else?

Any thoughts and comments are welcomed!

Thanks,
Pasha

Korber Energy Consultants
www.korberenergy.com<http://www.korberenergy.com>



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