[Bldg-sim] Automatic Generation of Baseline Models
Tianzhen Hong
thong at lbl.gov
Thu Feb 7 13:18:48 PST 2013
Mike,
EnergyPro does that.
Tianzhen
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> 2. Automatic Generation of Baseline Models (Rosenberg, Michael I)
> 3. Re: Automatic Generation of Baseline Models (Jeremiah Crossett)
> 4. Re: Automatic Generation of Baseline Models (Jim Dirkes)
> 5. Re: Automatic Generation of Baseline Models (Rosenberg, Michael I)
> 6. Re: Automatic Generation of Baseline Models (Paul Riemer)
> 7. Re: Automatic Generation of Baseline Models (Nathan Kegel)
> 8. Re: Automatic Generation of Baseline Models (Sami, Vikram)
> 9. Re: Automatic Generation of Baseline Models (Rosenberg, Michael I)
> 10. Re: Automatic Generation of Baseline Models (Eric Oliver)
> 11. Re: Automatic Generation of Baseline Models (Max Tillberg)
> 12. Re: Automatic Generation of Baseline Models
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> From: Christoph Reinhart <tito_ at MIT.EDU>
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> Dear colleagues,
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> I vaguely recall past discussions on this forum as to the penetration rate
> on building energy modeling in new construction (and retrofit?). Would some
> of you have relevant numbers for the US and other countries to share.
>
> Best,
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> Christoph
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> I am hoping the building simulation community can help answer a question
> for me. What software packages out there automatically generate baseline
> models for the ASHRAE 90.1 Energy Cost Budget Methodology or Appendix G?
> Thanks.
>
> __________________________
>
> Michael Rosenberg, CEM, LEED AP
> Senior Research Scientist
> ENERGY & ENVIRONMENT DIRECTORATE
>
> Pacific Northwest National Laboratory
> 2032 Todd Street
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> Bentley havacomp AECOSIM does for one..
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> > I am hoping the building simulation community can help answer a question
> > for me. What software packages out there automatically generate baseline
> > models for the ASHRAE 90.1 Energy Cost Budget Methodology or Appendix G?
> > Thanks. ****
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> From: Jim Dirkes <jim at buildingperformanceteam.com>
> To: Jeremiah Crossett <jcrossett at phasechange.com>, "Rosenberg, Michael
> I" <michael.rosenberg at pnnl.gov>
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> I think you need to define "automatically" carefully.
> DesignBuilder does a fair amount of the work and Simergy intends to do
> something similar.
> As an example, the proper ASHRAE 90.1 EER / COP is not known until you
> actually run the simulation and find out the capacity. It seems to me that
> some of the criteria must be ascertained from a successful simulation
> before you can have a complete Baseline.
> Another example that has been discussed in this forum is calculating the
> proper fan and pump pressure rise to comply with 90.1
>
> James V Dirkes II, PE, BEMP, LEED AP
> www.buildingperformanceteam.com<http://www.buildingperformanceteam.com/>
> Energy Analysis, Commissioning & Training Services
> 1631 Acacia Drive, Grand Rapids, MI 49504 USA
> 616 450 8653
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> From: bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:
> bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of Jeremiah Crossett
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 12:07 PM
> To: Rosenberg, Michael I
> Cc: bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org
> Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Automatic Generation of Baseline Models
>
> Bentley havacomp AECOSIM does for one..
>
>
> Jeremiah D. Crossett | Senior Analyst | Phase Change Energy Solutions
> 120 E. Pritchard St. | Asheboro, NC 27203 | Mobile 503-688-8951
> www.phasechange.com<http://www.phasechange.com>
> [http://i.imgur.com/Sldxf.jpg]
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>
>
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> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Rosenberg, Michael I <
> michael.rosenberg at pnnl.gov<mailto:michael.rosenberg at pnnl.gov>> wrote:
> I am hoping the building simulation community can help answer a question
> for me. What software packages out there automatically generate baseline
> models for the ASHRAE 90.1 Energy Cost Budget Methodology or Appendix G?
> Thanks.
>
> __________________________
>
> Michael Rosenberg, CEM, LEED AP
> Senior Research Scientist
> ENERGY & ENVIRONMENT DIRECTORATE
>
> Pacific Northwest National Laboratory
> 2032 Todd Street
> Eugene, OR 97405
> (541) 844-1960<tel:%28541%29%20844-1960>
> michael.rosenberg at pnnl.gov<mailto:michael.rosenberg at pnl.gov>
> www.pnnl.gov<http://www.pnl.gov/>
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> From: "Rosenberg, Michael I" <michael.rosenberg at pnnl.gov>
> To: Jim Dirkes <jim at buildingperformanceteam.com>, Jeremiah Crossett
> <jcrossett at phasechange.com>
> Cc: "bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org" <bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org>
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> That is a good point Jim. To actually generate a baseline following either
> of the protocols, it is necessary to first do a sizing run. So the
> automation would need to be a two-step process.
>
> __________________________
>
> Michael Rosenberg, CEM, LEED AP
> Senior Research Scientist
> ENERGY & ENVIRONMENT DIRECTORATE
>
> Pacific Northwest National Laboratory
> 2032 Todd Street
> Eugene, OR 97405
> (541) 844-1960
> michael.rosenberg at pnnl.gov<mailto:michael.rosenberg at pnl.gov>
> www.pnnl.gov<http://www.pnl.gov/>
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> From: Jim Dirkes [mailto:jim at buildingperformanceteam.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 9:13 AM
> To: Jeremiah Crossett; Rosenberg, Michael I
> Cc: bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org
> Subject: RE: [Bldg-sim] Automatic Generation of Baseline Models
>
> I think you need to define "automatically" carefully.
> DesignBuilder does a fair amount of the work and Simergy intends to do
> something similar.
> As an example, the proper ASHRAE 90.1 EER / COP is not known until you
> actually run the simulation and find out the capacity. It seems to me that
> some of the criteria must be ascertained from a successful simulation
> before you can have a complete Baseline.
> Another example that has been discussed in this forum is calculating the
> proper fan and pump pressure rise to comply with 90.1
>
> James V Dirkes II, PE, BEMP, LEED AP
> www.buildingperformanceteam.com<http://www.buildingperformanceteam.com/>
> Energy Analysis, Commissioning & Training Services
> 1631 Acacia Drive, Grand Rapids, MI 49504 USA
> 616 450 8653
>
> From: bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org<mailto:
> bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org> [mailto:
> bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuildingorg] On Behalf Of Jeremiah Crossett
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 12:07 PM
> To: Rosenberg, Michael I
> Cc: bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org<mailto:bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org>
> Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Automatic Generation of Baseline Models
>
> Bentley havacomp AECOSIM does for one..
>
>
> Jeremiah D. Crossett | Senior Analyst | Phase Change Energy Solutions
> 120 E. Pritchard St. | Asheboro, NC 27203 | Mobile 503-688-8951
> www.phasechange.com<http://www.phasechange.com>
> [http://i.imgur.com/Sldxf.jpg]
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Rosenberg, Michael I <
> michael.rosenberg at pnnl.gov<mailto:michael.rosenberg at pnnl.gov>> wrote:
> I am hoping the building simulation community can help answer a question
> for me. What software packages out there automatically generate baseline
> models for the ASHRAE 90.1 Energy Cost Budget Methodology or Appendix G?
> Thanks.
>
> __________________________
>
> Michael Rosenberg, CEM, LEED AP
> Senior Research Scientist
> ENERGY & ENVIRONMENT DIRECTORATE
>
> Pacific Northwest National Laboratory
> 2032 Todd Street
> Eugene, OR 97405
> (541) 844-1960<tel:%28541%29%20844-1960>
> michael.rosenberg at pnnl.gov<mailto:michael.rosenberg at pnl.gov>
> www.pnnl.gov<http://www.pnl.gov/>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 11:37:19 -0600
> From: Paul Riemer <Paul.Riemer at dunhameng.com>
> To: "'Rosenberg, Michael I'" <michael.rosenberg at pnnl.gov>, Jim Dirkes
> <jim at buildingperformanceteam.com>, Jeremiah Crossett
> <jcrossett at phasechange.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Automatic Generation of Baseline Models
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> If you have waterside systems it really becomes three steps:
>
> 1) Run with all guesses to determine airside sizing
>
> 2) Run with determined airside sizing and guessed waterside sizing
>
> 3) Run with known airside and waterside sizing
>
> Then the complications of the rotations and satisfying unmet hours
> criteria.
> If you view modeling like a video game with level to achieve and get a
> good soundtrack, then you can be happily oblivious about how much time you
> are spending on it.
>
> Paul Riemer, PE, LEED AP BD+C
> DUNHAM
>
> From: bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:
> bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of Rosenberg, Michael I
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 11:20 AM
> To: Jim Dirkes; Jeremiah Crossett
> Cc: bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org
> Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Automatic Generation of Baseline Models
>
> That is a good point Jim. To actually generate a baseline following either
> of the protocols, it is necessary to first do a sizing run. So the
> automation would need to be a two-step process.
>
> __________________________
>
> Michael Rosenberg, CEM, LEED AP
> Senior Research Scientist
> ENERGY & ENVIRONMENT DIRECTORATE
>
> Pacific Northwest National Laboratory
> 2032 Todd Street
> Eugene, OR 97405
> (541) 844-1960
> michael.rosenberg at pnnl.gov<mailto:michael.rosenberg at pnl.gov>
> www.pnnl.gov<http://www.pnl.gov/>
>
>
> From: Jim Dirkes [mailto:jim at buildingperformanceteam.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 9:13 AM
> To: Jeremiah Crossett; Rosenberg, Michael I
> Cc: bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org
> Subject: RE: [Bldg-sim] Automatic Generation of Baseline Models
>
> I think you need to define "automatically" carefully.
> DesignBuilder does a fair amount of the work and Simergy intends to do
> something similar.
> As an example, the proper ASHRAE 90.1 EER / COP is not known until you
> actually run the simulation and find out the capacity. It seems to me that
> some of the criteria must be ascertained from a successful simulation
> before you can have a complete Baseline.
> Another example that has been discussed in this forum is calculating the
> proper fan and pump pressure rise to comply with 90.1
>
> James V Dirkes II, PE, BEMP, LEED AP
> www.buildingperformanceteam.com<http://www.buildingperformanceteam.com/>
> Energy Analysis, Commissioning & Training Services
> 1631 Acacia Drive, Grand Rapids, MI 49504 USA
> 616 450 8653
>
> From: bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org<mailto:
> bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org> [mailto:
> bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuildingorg] On Behalf Of Jeremiah Crossett
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 12:07 PM
> To: Rosenberg, Michael I
> Cc: bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org<mailto:bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org>
> Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Automatic Generation of Baseline Models
>
> Bentley havacomp AECOSIM does for one..
>
>
> Jeremiah D. Crossett | Senior Analyst | Phase Change Energy Solutions
> 120 E. Pritchard St. | Asheboro, NC 27203 | Mobile 503-688-8951
> www.phasechange.com<http://www.phasechange.com>
> [http://i.imgur.com/Sldxf.jpg]
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Rosenberg, Michael I <
> michael.rosenberg at pnnl.gov<mailto:michael.rosenberg at pnnl.gov>> wrote:
> I am hoping the building simulation community can help answer a question
> for me. What software packages out there automatically generate baseline
> models for the ASHRAE 90.1 Energy Cost Budget Methodology or Appendix G?
> Thanks.
>
> __________________________
>
> Michael Rosenberg, CEM, LEED AP
> Senior Research Scientist
> ENERGY & ENVIRONMENT DIRECTORATE
>
> Pacific Northwest National Laboratory
> 2032 Todd Street
> Eugene, OR 97405
> (541) 844-1960<tel:%28541%29%20844-1960>
> michael.rosenberg at pnnl.gov<mailto:michael.rosenberg at pnl.gov>
> www.pnnl.gov<http://www.pnl.gov/>
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> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 17:53:54 +0000
> From: Nathan Kegel <nathan.kegel at iesve.com>
> To: "Rosenberg, Michael I" <michael.rosenberg at pnnl.gov>,
> "bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org" <bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org>
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> You do need to be careful about "automatic" - it's a complex thing to
> fully automate. There are more exceptions than rules.
>
> IES VE has a PRM Navigator which automates baselines for both 90.1-2004
> and 2007 following the PRM methodology (Appendix G).
>
> The PRM Navigator does auto-generate much of the baseline - but also
> allows the user to go in and see and "break" or edit the baseline as needed
> for different conditions.
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> From: bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:
> bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of Rosenberg, Michael I
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 11:05 AM
> To: bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org
> Subject: [Bldg-sim] Automatic Generation of Baseline Models
>
> I am hoping the building simulation community can help answer a question
> for me. What software packages out there automatically generate baseline
> models for the ASHRAE 90.1 Energy Cost Budget Methodology or Appendix G?
> Thanks.
>
> __________________________
>
> Michael Rosenberg, CEM, LEED AP
> Senior Research Scientist
> ENERGY & ENVIRONMENT DIRECTORATE
>
> Pacific Northwest National Laboratory
> 2032 Todd Street
> Eugene, OR 97405
> (541) 844-1960
> michael.rosenberg at pnnl.gov<mailto:michael.rosenberg at pnl.gov>
> www.pnnl.gov<http://www.pnl.gov/>
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> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 12:06:24 -0600
> From: "Sami, Vikram" <Vikram.Sami at perkinswill.com>
> To: Nathan Kegel <nathan.kegel at iesve.com>, "Rosenberg, Michael I"
> <michael.rosenberg at pnnl.gov>, "bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org"
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> Echoing everyone's caution for "Automatic" - I think it also depends on
> what you are using it for. If it's for a detailed compliance modeling, then
> I would really caution against it. If it's for quick EEM explorations I am
> sure it's a simpler matter.
>
>
> Vikram Sami, LEED AP BD+C
> Sustainable Design Analyst
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> From: bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:
> bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of Nathan Kegel
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 12:54 PM
> To: Rosenberg, Michael I; bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org
> Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Automatic Generation of Baseline Models
>
> You do need to be careful about "automatic" - it's a complex thing to
> fully automate. There are more exceptions than rules.
>
> IES VE has a PRM Navigator which automates baselines for both 90.1-2004
> and 2007 following the PRM methodology (Appendix G).
>
> The PRM Navigator does auto-generate much of the baseline - but also
> allows the user to go in and see and "break" or edit the baseline as needed
> for different conditions.
>
> [cid:image001.jpg at 01CE0533.EE510080]<http://www.iesve.com/>
>
> Nathan Kegel
> Project Manager
> Business Development Manager
> Minneapolis
>
> T:
>
> 763 276 9981
>
> M:
>
> 415 420 9314
>
> http://www.iesve.com<http://www.iesve.com/>
>
>
> **Design, Simulate + Innovate with the <Virtual Environment>**
>
> Integrated Environmental Solutions Limited. Registered in Scotland No.
> SC151456
> Registered Office - Helix Building, West Of Scotland Science Park, Glasgow
> G20 0SP
>
> Email Disclaimer<http://www.iesve.com/disclaimer.html>
>
>
>
> From: bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:
> bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of Rosenberg, Michael I
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 11:05 AM
> To: bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org
> Subject: [Bldg-sim] Automatic Generation of Baseline Models
>
> I am hoping the building simulation community can help answer a question
> for me. What software packages out there automatically generate baseline
> models for the ASHRAE 90.1 Energy Cost Budget Methodology or Appendix G?
> Thanks.
>
> __________________________
>
> Michael Rosenberg, CEM, LEED AP
> Senior Research Scientist
> ENERGY & ENVIRONMENT DIRECTORATE
>
> Pacific Northwest National Laboratory
> 2032 Todd Street
> Eugene, OR 97405
> (541) 844-1960
> michael.rosenberg at pnnl.gov<mailto:michael.rosenberg at pnl.gov>
> www.pnnl.gov<http://www.pnl.gov/>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 10:12:37 -0800
> From: "Rosenberg, Michael I" <michael.rosenberg at pnnl.gov>
> To: "Sami, Vikram" <Vikram.Sami at perkinswill.com>, Nathan Kegel
> <nathan.kegel at iesve.com>, "bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org"
> <bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org>
> Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Automatic Generation of Baseline Models
> Message-ID:
> <BE950B042CB6574CA6D34A6DD899EEA29F5EF07712 at EMAIL06.pnl.gov>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> What I was really interested in is software that does the whole process
> automatically. No manipulation on the part of the user at all. You input a
> proposed building design, and following one of the rulesets results are
> generated. Does that exist and if it does, for which protocols?
>
> __________________________
>
> Michael Rosenberg, CEM, LEED AP
> Senior Research Scientist
> ENERGY & ENVIRONMENT DIRECTORATE
>
> Pacific Northwest National Laboratory
> 2032 Todd Street
> Eugene, OR 97405
> (541) 844-1960
> michael.rosenberg at pnnl.gov<mailto:michael.rosenberg at pnl.gov>
> www.pnnl.gov<http://www.pnl.gov/>
>
>
> From: Sami, Vikram [mailto:Vikram.Sami at perkinswill.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 10:06 AM
> To: Nathan Kegel; Rosenberg, Michael I; bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org
> Subject: RE: Automatic Generation of Baseline Models
>
> Echoing everyone's caution for "Automatic" - I think it also depends on
> what you are using it for. If it's for a detailed compliance modeling, then
> I would really caution against it. If it's for quick EEM explorations I am
> sure it's a simpler matter.
>
>
> Vikram Sami, LEED AP BD+C
> Sustainable Design Analyst
> 1315 Peachtree St. NE, Atlanta, GA 30309
> t: 404-443-7462 f: 404.892.5823 e: vikram.sami at perkinswill.com
> <mailto:vikram.sami at perkinswill.com> www.perkinswill.com<
> http://www.perkinswill.com/>
> Perkins+Will. Ideas + buildings that honor the broader goals of society
>
>
> From: bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org<mailto:
> bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org> [mailto:
> bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of Nathan Kegel
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 12:54 PM
> To: Rosenberg, Michael I; bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org<mailto:
> bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org>
> Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Automatic Generation of Baseline Models
>
> You do need to be careful about "automatic" - it's a complex thing to
> fully automate. There are more exceptions than rules.
>
> IES VE has a PRM Navigator which automates baselines for both 90.1-2004
> and 2007 following the PRM methodology (Appendix G).
>
> The PRM Navigator does auto-generate much of the baseline - but also
> allows the user to go in and see and "break" or edit the baseline as needed
> for different conditions.
>
> [cid:image001.jpg at 01CE051B.A79C0940]<http://www.iesve.com/>
>
> Nathan Kegel
> Project Manager
> Business Development Manager
> Minneapolis
>
> T:
>
> 763 276 9981
>
> M:
>
> 415 420 9314
>
> http://www.iesve.com<http://www.iesve.com/>
>
>
> **Design, Simulate + Innovate with the <Virtual Environment>**
>
> Integrated Environmental Solutions Limited. Registered in Scotland No.
> SC151456
> Registered Office - Helix Building, West Of Scotland Science Park, Glasgow
> G20 0SP
>
> Email Disclaimer<http://www.iesvecom/disclaimer.html>
>
>
>
> From: bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org<mailto:
> bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org> [mailto:
> bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of Rosenberg, Michael I
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 11:05 AM
> To: bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org<mailto:bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org>
> Subject: [Bldg-sim] Automatic Generation of Baseline Models
>
> I am hoping the building simulation community can help answer a question
> for me. What software packages out there automatically generate baseline
> models for the ASHRAE 90.1 Energy Cost Budget Methodology or Appendix G?
> Thanks.
>
> __________________________
>
> Michael Rosenberg, CEM, LEED AP
> Senior Research Scientist
> ENERGY & ENVIRONMENT DIRECTORATE
>
> Pacific Northwest National Laboratory
> 2032 Todd Street
> Eugene, OR 97405
> (541) 844-1960
> michael.rosenberg at pnnl.gov<mailto:michael.rosenberg at pnl.gov>
> www.pnnl.gov<http://www.pnl.gov/>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 18:16:43 +0000
> From: Eric Oliver <emo at emoenergy.com>
> To: "Rosenberg, Michael I" <michael.rosenberg at pnnl.gov>
> Cc: "bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org" <bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org>
> Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Automatic Generation of Baseline Models
> Message-ID: <8E52DFA3-D411-46B0-8156-BE49D7CBF2A2 at emoenergy.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>
> As far as I'm aware, nothing like that exists. Nor could it, ASHRAE 90.1
> is too complex to make something like that make every decision automated.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 7, 2013, at 1:12 PM, "Rosenberg, Michael I" <
> michael.rosenberg at pnnl.gov<mailto:michael.rosenberg at pnnl.gov>> wrote:
>
> What I was really interested in is software that does the whole process
> automatically. No manipulation on the part of the user at all. You input a
> proposed building design, and following one of the rulesets results are
> generated. Does that exist and if it does, for which protocols?
>
> __________________________
>
> Michael Rosenberg, CEM, LEED AP
> Senior Research Scientist
> ENERGY & ENVIRONMENT DIRECTORATE
>
> Pacific Northwest National Laboratory
> 2032 Todd Street
> Eugene, OR 97405
> (541) 844-1960
> michael.rosenberg at pnnl.gov<mailto:michael.rosenberg at pnl.gov>
> www.pnnl.gov<http://www.pnl.gov/>
>
>
> From: Sami, Vikram [mailto:Vikram.Sami at perkinswill.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 10:06 AM
> To: Nathan Kegel; Rosenberg, Michael I; bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org
> <mailto:bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org>
> Subject: RE: Automatic Generation of Baseline Models
>
> Echoing everyone?s caution for ?Automatic? ? I think it also depends on
> what you are using it for. If it?s for a detailed compliance modeling, then
> I would really caution against it. If it?s for quick EEM explorations I am
> sure it?s a simpler matter.
>
>
> Vikram Sami, LEED AP BD+C
> Sustainable Design Analyst
> 1315 Peachtree St. NE, Atlanta, GA 30309
> t: 404-443-7462 f: 404.892.5823 e: vikram.sami at perkinswill.com
> <mailto:vikram.sami at perkinswill.com> www.perkinswill.com<
> http://www.perkinswill.com/>
> Perkins+Will. Ideas + buildings that honor the broader goals of society
>
>
> From: bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org<mailto:
> bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org> [mailto:
> bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of Nathan Kegel
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 12:54 PM
> To: Rosenberg, Michael I; bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org<mailto:
> bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org>
> Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Automatic Generation of Baseline Models
>
> You do need to be careful about ?automatic? ? it?s a complex thing to
> fully automate. There are more exceptions than rules.
>
> IES VE has a PRM Navigator which automates baselines for both 90.1-2004
> and 2007 following the PRM methodology (Appendix G).
>
> The PRM Navigator does auto-generate much of the baseline ? but also
> allows the user to go in and see and ?break? or edit the baseline as needed
> for different conditions.
>
> <image001.jpg><http://www.iesve.com/>
>
> Nathan Kegel
> Project Manager
> Business Development Manager
> Minneapolis
>
> T:
>
> 763 276 9981
>
> M:
>
> 415 420 9314
>
> http://www.iesve.com<http://www.iesve.com/>
>
>
> **Design, Simulate + Innovate with the <Virtual Environment>**
>
> Integrated Environmental Solutions Limited. Registered in Scotland No.
> SC151456
> Registered Office - Helix Building, West Of Scotland Science Park, Glasgow
> G20 0SP
>
> Email Disclaimer<http://www.iesvecom/disclaimer.html>
>
>
>
> From: bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org<mailto:
> bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org> [mailto:
> bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of Rosenberg, Michael I
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 11:05 AM
> To: bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org<mailto:bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org>
> Subject: [Bldg-sim] Automatic Generation of Baseline Models
>
> I am hoping the building simulation community can help answer a question
> for me. What software packages out there automatically generate baseline
> models for the ASHRAE 90.1 Energy Cost Budget Methodology or Appendix G?
> Thanks.
>
> __________________________
>
> Michael Rosenberg, CEM, LEED AP
> Senior Research Scientist
> ENERGY & ENVIRONMENT DIRECTORATE
>
> Pacific Northwest National Laboratory
> 2032 Todd Street
> Eugene, OR 97405
> (541) 844-1960
> michael.rosenberg at pnnl.gov<mailto:michael.rosenberg at pnl.gov>
> www.pnnl.gov<http://www.pnl.gov/>
>
>
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>
> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 19:22:17 +0100
> From: Max Tillberg <max.tillberg at bengtdahlgren.se>
> To: "bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org"@bdab.nu
> Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Automatic Generation of Baseline Models
> Message-ID:
> <OFE3297C1D.8BCA2FB1-ONC1257B0B.00648305-C1257B0B.0064ED1B at bdab.nu
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> I would say that the LEED plugin for IDA ICE 4.5 does a pretty good job.
> For most buildings you need very little manupilation.
>
>
> Sincerely
>
> Max Tillberg
>
> Direkt tel: 031-720 26 12
> E-post: max.tillberg at bengtdahlgren.se
>
> Bengt Dahlgren G?teborg AB
> Kroksl?tts Fabriker 52, 431 37 M?LNDAL
> Tel: 031-720 25 00
> www.bengtdahlgren.se
>
> Ingenj?rskonst, helt enkelt
>
>
>
>
> From: Eric Oliver <emo at emoenergy.com>
> To: "Rosenberg, Michael I" <michael.rosenberg at pnnl.gov>,
> Cc: "bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org" <bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org>
> Date: 2013-02-07 19:16
> Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Automatic Generation of Baseline Models
> Sent by: bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org
>
>
>
> As far as I'm aware, nothing like that exists. Nor could it, ASHRAE 90.1
> is too complex to make something like that make every decision automated.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 7, 2013, at 1:12 PM, "Rosenberg, Michael I" <
> michael.rosenberg at pnnl.gov> wrote:
>
> What I was really interested in is software that does the whole process
> automatically. No manipulation on the part of the user at all. You input a
> proposed building design, and following one of the rulesets results are
> generated. Does that exist and if it does, for which protocols?
>
> __________________________
>
> Michael Rosenberg, CEM, LEED AP
> Senior Research Scientist
> ENERGY & ENVIRONMENT DIRECTORATE
>
> Pacific Northwest National Laboratory
> 2032 Todd Street
> Eugene, OR 97405
> (541) 844-1960
> michael.rosenberg at pnnl.gov
> www.pnnl.gov
>
>
> From: Sami, Vikram [mailto:Vikram.Sami at perkinswill.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 10:06 AM
> To: Nathan Kegel; Rosenberg, Michael I; bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org
> Subject: RE: Automatic Generation of Baseline Models
>
> Echoing everyone?s caution for ?Automatic? ? I think it also depends on
> what you are using it for. If it?s for a detailed compliance modeling,
> then I would really caution against it. If it?s for quick EEM explorations
> I am sure it?s a simpler matter.
>
>
> Vikram Sami, LEED AP BD+C
> Sustainable Design Analyst
> 1315 Peachtree St. NE, Atlanta, GA 30309
> t: 404-443-7462 f: 404.892.5823 e: vikram.sami at perkinswill.com
> www.perkinswill.com
> Perkins+Will. Ideas + buildings that honor the broader goals of society
>
>
> From: bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org [
> mailto:bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of Nathan Kegel
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 12:54 PM
> To: Rosenberg, Michael I; bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org
> Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Automatic Generation of Baseline Models
>
> You do need to be careful about ?automatic? ? it?s a complex thing to
> fully automate. There are more exceptions than rules.
>
> IES VE has a PRM Navigator which automates baselines for both 90.1-2004
> and 2007 following the PRM methodology (Appendix G).
>
> The PRM Navigator does auto-generate much of the baseline ? but also
> allows the user to go in and see and ?break? or edit the baseline as
> needed for different conditions.
>
>
> <image001.jpg>
> Nathan Kegel
> Project Manager
> Business Development Manager
> Minneapolis
>
>
> T:
> 763 276 9981
> M:
> 415 420 9314
> http://www.iesve.com
>
> **Design, Simulate + Innovate with the <Virtual Environment>**
> Integrated Environmental Solutions Limited. Registered in Scotland No.
> SC151456
> Registered Office - Helix Building, West Of Scotland Science Park, Glasgow
> G20 0SP
> Email Disclaimer
>
>
> From: bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org [
> mailto:bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of Rosenberg,
> Michael I
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 11:05 AM
> To: bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org
> Subject: [Bldg-sim] Automatic Generation of Baseline Models
>
> I am hoping the building simulation community can help answer a question
> for me. What software packages out there automatically generate baseline
> models for the ASHRAE 90.1 Energy Cost Budget Methodology or Appendix G?
> Thanks.
>
> __________________________
>
> Michael Rosenberg, CEM, LEED AP
> Senior Research Scientist
> ENERGY & ENVIRONMENT DIRECTORATE
>
> Pacific Northwest National Laboratory
> 2032 Todd Street
> Eugene, OR 97405
> (541) 844-1960
> michael.rosenberg at pnnl.gov
> www.pnnl.gov
>
>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 20:15:29 +0000
> From: <Dru.Crawley at bentley.com>
> To: <michael.rosenberg at pnnl.gov>, <bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org>
> Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Automatic Generation of Baseline Models
> Message-ID: <0ux71qsefpm3pnkrneoadq50.1360268125548 at email.android.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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> Bentley's AECOSIM Energy Simulator automatically creates baseline and
> budget buildings for Standard 90.1 2004, 2007, and 2010.
>
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: "Rosenberg, Michael I" <michael.rosenberg at pnnl.gov>
> Date:
> To: bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org
> Subject: [Bldg-sim] Automatic Generation of Baseline Models
>
>
> I am hoping the building simulation community can help answer a question
> for me. What software packages out there automatically generate baseline
> models for the ASHRAE 90.1 Energy Cost Budget Methodology or Appendix G?
> Thanks.
>
> __________________________
>
> Michael Rosenberg, CEM, LEED AP
> Senior Research Scientist
> ENERGY & ENVIRONMENT DIRECTORATE
>
> Pacific Northwest National Laboratory
> 2032 Todd Street
> Eugene, OR 97405
> (541) 844-1960
> michael.rosenberg at pnnl.gov<mailto:michael.rosenberg at pnl.gov>
> www.pnnl.gov<http://www.pnl.gov/>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
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