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From: "Ellis, Peter" <peter_ellis@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:38:53 -0600
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Hi Chiou,
 
Glad you were able to get it to work.  Thanks for the bug report.  Sounds like one that had been reported by another user too.  I will get it fixed for the next release.
 
P

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From: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of yun-shang chiou
Sent: Tue 4/15/2008 10:13 PM
To: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [EnergyPlus_Support] sketch-up plugins: shared surface of two zones



Peter:
Thanks, it works.

One minor issue,
When I try to select the window in the "Outside
Boundary Object" pull-down menu of the "Object Info"
window that corresponds to the window in the shared
wall of the other zone. The name of the window won't
register.

I was able to use IDF editor to do that and bring the
model back and run E+ simulation under SketchUP
environment without other issues.

Chiou

--- "Ellis, Peter" <peter_ellis@xxxxxxxx <mailto:peter_ellis%40nrel.gov> > wrote:

> 
> 
> Hello Chiou,
> 
> 
> 
> Your question is not too primitive at all. Creating
> interzone
> connections is a little bit tricky right now. I
> don't think this is
> fully explained in the documentation yet, so I will
> spend a little time
> here and hopefully help out a lot of people. 
> 
> 
> 
> Here are some steps to do interzone connections
> right:
> 
> 
> 
> 1. Both zones must have the "shared" surface drawn
> in it. It's very
> important that the surface area for both surfaces
> matches
> exactly-otherwise EnergyPlus will complain later
> when you try to run it.
> Usually the best approach to ensure the same area is
> to make sure all of
> the vertices match up for both surfaces.
> 
> 
> 
> 2. One way to draw the surfaces so that they match
> is to first draw the
> "target" surface in one zone. Next, open the other
> zone for editing and
> trace over the target surface with the new "shared"
> surface. It's often
> necessary to hide other surfaces while you are
> working so that you can
> trace the target surface. Use the right-click menu
> item Hide. When
> you're done, use the menu item Edit/Unhide/All to
> unhide everything.
> 
> 
> 
> 3. Now that you have both surfaces, you must set
> their boundary
> conditions so that they are connected. First, use
> the Object Info
> window to get the names of both surfaces. Make a
> note or remember them.
> Next, select one of the surfaces and go into the
> Object Info window.
> Set the "Outside Boundary Condition" field to "Other
> Zone Surface". Set
> the "Outside Boundary Object" field to the name of
> the target surface
> (which you hopefully still remember). Finally,
> repeat the same thing
> for the other surface.
> 
> 
> 
> **A helpful trick for getting to those interior zone
> walls (other than
> using the right-click hide) is to check the "Hide"
> box next to the "Fade
> rest of model" option which can be found via the
> menu item Window/Model
> Info/Components. With this option, when you edit a
> zone, all other
> zones will be hidden making it much easier to see
> all of your surfaces.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 4. The surfaces are now connected. One last thing
> to check is that the
> Construction assignments are compatible. (Don't
> worry, if you mess this
> up, EnergyPlus will let you know later!) Let's say
> our two
> interconnected surfaces are A and B. The
> construction assigned to A
> must have the same material layers as B, but in
> reverse order. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> In a future release, you will not have to assign
> interzone connections
> manually. Instead, you will just move two zones
> next to each other (so
> that they touch) and the plugin will automatically
> figure out all of the
> details for you. 
> 
> 
> 
> P
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:EnergyPlus_Support%40yahoogroups.com> 
> [mailto:EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:EnergyPlus_Support%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> Behalf Of yun-shang chiou
> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 4:16 PM
> To: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:EnergyPlus_Support%40yahoogroups.com> 
> Subject: [EnergyPlus_Support] sketch-up plugins:
> shared surface of two
> zones
> 
> 
> 
> Forgive me if this question is too primitive.
> 
> I have difficulty to figure out how to create the
> shared surface between two zones.
> 
> In E+ sketch-up plugins: all surfaces seem to be
> constructed after the zone is first specified. It is
> innovative and very convenient. But now that I need
> to
> have several surfaces shared by two zones. I don't
> know how to get there. 
> 
> (I have extremely limited expereince with google
> sketchup)
> 
> Any comment will be greatly appreciated! 
> 
> Chiou 
> 
>
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