Dru Crawley
From: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jerry McManus
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 5:36 PM
To: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [EnergyPlus_Support] Re: winter design day
Thanks for the quick reply, but to be honest I'm still not convinced. If a
design day is intended to be worst case scenario (as opposed to realistic
weather simulation) then why wouldn't summer design days also have a 0 daily
temperature range?
You seem to be saying that there is an unspoken
assumption in HVAC that heat
is always on in the winter, but cooling is only
when you actually need it in
the summer. Is it the experience of building
designers that once you get
below a certain outside temperature then a few
degrees either way makes no
difference in heating loads?
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Original Message -----
From: "JV Dirkes II" <jvd2pe@xxxxxxx>
To: <EnergyPlus_Support@
Sent:
Wednesday, June 24, 2009 10:44 AM
Subject: [EnergyPlus_
> Jerry,
>
> Without checking E+ docs,
but using my experience..
> A "design day" is a "worst case"
condition. For winter, that means a
> sustained cold period with no sun
and no internal heat (e.g., lights or
> PCs). Using a zero degree daily
range is a fairly normal approach to
> those criteria.
> A
practical example in Michigan, where I'm from, would be an extended
>
weekend (say, Christmas) when the temps drop very low and stay there for
> hours on end. The sun, as is usual in MI, doesn't shine. (Of course it
> could also be night time. We're why light therapy got popular.
>
In that instance, the heating system is all you've got; it better be big
> enough!
>
> --- In EnergyPlus_Support@
>
wrote:
>>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> I'm new to
EnergyPlus, and a total noob when it comes to HVAC, so please
>> be
gentle! Here's my first newbie question:
>>
>> While learning
about design days I was confused by the fact that all of
>> the winter
design days in the example weather data have a 0 daily
>> temperature
range modifier. Searching the input\output reference yielded
>> this
note:
>>
>> "Note that usual Winter design conditions are for
very cloudy days
>> (clearness = 0), and low temperatures (temperature
range=0)."
>>
>> Unfortunately no explanation is given why low
temperatures should have 0
>> for the daily temperature range...? This
is one of those things that is
>> probably obvious to an HVAC pro, but
it's not at all clear to me why a
>> winter design day should not
bother with highs and lows in the
>> temperature
range.
>>
>> Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
>>
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