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[EnergyPlus_Support] Re: autosizing components in hybrid DV/radiant heating system



Hey Josh,

I'm interested in the solution that you guys worked out. I'm working on a similar model. Was this resolved?

Phylroy

--- In EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Josh K" <jeemang@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Fred;
> 
> Thanks in advance for taking a look at it. I uploaded the .idf to the
> Problem_Submittals folder. It's called "DV_test."
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Josh
> 
> 
> On Nov 20, 2007 3:56 PM, Fred Buhl <wfbuhl@...> wrote:
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> >  josh_miarch wrote:
> >  > I'm attempting to model a cold climate system in which heating is
> >  > provided by a combination of centrally conditioned air (delivered via
> >  > displacement ventilation) and a radiant panel. The zone in question
> >  > has a constant setpoint of 21 C. Air is delivered from the central AHU
> >  > at 19 C, with the balance of the heating load being made up by the
> >  > radiant panel.
> >  >
> >  > I've modeled this with a DIRECT AIR object given heating priority 1
> >  > and a LOW TEMP RADIANT SYSTEM:HYDRONIC object (heating control
> >  > temperature = 18 C, throttling range = 3 C) given heating priority 2.
> >  >
> >  > The problem I'm having is that the autosizable fields of several
> >  > objects are being filled incorrectly. For example, the maximum hot
> >  > water flow of the radiant panel is being autosized to 0. Strangely, I
> >  > noticed that when I increase the "zone heating design supply air
> >  > temperature" field in the ZONE SIZING object from its original value
> >  > of 19 C, at a certain point the maximum hot water flow of the radiant
> >  > panel starts getting autosized to numbers greater than 0.
> >  >
> >  > Investigating this further, I noticed that the "DesLoad" outputted in
> >  > the "Zone Sizing Information" section of the .eio output file changed
> >  > when I changed the zone heating design supply air temperature in the
> >  > ZONE SIZING object. For example, when the design supply air temp was
> >  > set to 19 C, the "DesLoad" was 0.20703 W, and when it was set to 80 C,
> >  > the "DesLoad" was 13194 W.
> >  >
> >  > I'm guessing that this is the source of my problems. It seems strange
> >  > to me that the design load would change based on the supply air
> >  > temperature -- shouldn't these variables be independent of one another?
> >  >
> >  Yes; in theory anyway. But other design constraints might be affecting
> >  the initially calculated, pure
> >  design load. Why don't you upload your input and we will take a look.
> >
> >  Fred Buhl
> >
> >  > I know that EnergyPlus can sometimes struggle with hybrid systems like
> >  > this; I'm wondering if there is an error on my part, or if this an
> >  > example of EnergyPlus' limitations in this area. Any advice that
> >  > anyone could give me that would get me closer to an accurate
> >  > simulation would be greatly appreciated.
> >  >
> >  > Thanks,
> >  >
> >  > Josh
> >  >
> >  > --
> >  > Josh Kjenner, EIT, LEED AP
> >  > Manasc Isaac Architects Ltd.
> >  > 10225 100 Avenue :: Edmonton, AB T5J 0A1
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> Josh Kjenner, EIT, LEED AP
> Manasc Isaac Architects Ltd.
> 10225 100 Avenue :: Edmonton, AB T5J 0A1
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