[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index]

RE: [EnergyPlus_Support] Error





Hi, Julian
 
This is your exercise.
======================

5.   EJERCICIOS

located in La Molina.  (in Alp, Spain 1900m above sea level.)

The maximum outside temperature is below 20°C.  Therefore you will never have the cooling condition using this weather file..

 

As designed the system so that from 8am to 20 pm there is a constant temperature of 24 degrees winter and summer only ventilation with a humidity of 50% all year round?

 

I do not think this question can be answered without using another location.


====================================

Occupancy Hours: 8 am to 20h weekdays.
Planned renovation of 1 changes per hour of ventilation, and 0.6 l / h of infiltration.

 
Is considered to install a solar heating system air to provide cooling in summer only, including treatment of humidity, as it is considered that the thermal requirements of heating are negligible.
 

This instruction requires the use of a location which is not too cold at night, and it cannot be La Molina..

 

"a solar heating system air to provide cooling in summer only, including treatment of humidity,"

 

is not very clear to me.  A solar collector operated chiller and a desiccant system may meet the requirement.  Or the solar heater is for hot water and has nothing to do with the cooling of the building.

 

Heat pump with a reheat heater as in the IDF will meet the 24°C and 50% requirement if the outdoor air temperature is higher than 24°C..

 

You have chosen type 4 thermostat control, but have set both heating and cooling  to 24°C with no dead band.  Heating and cooling priority are both to 1.

==============================
 
I suggest that you simply run your IDF with another weather file for a location nearer to the equator.   Madrid, Barcelona, etc. These towns are all not in the mounain.  Change the cooling setpoint to 20°C instead of N24, and watch the humidity outout put in the zone.  RH value may change if you have a different value in the coolent setpoint in the zone sizing, or heatpump object..
 
 Dr. Li  

PS  Please do not send me the EPW file as it is available on the EPlus site.

 

To: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
From: julianflorentinos@xxxxxxxxx
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 04:46:35 -0700
Subject: RE: [EnergyPlus_Support] Error

 

Thanks Dr Li,

According understand hvac idealloadsystem debreia use, and being as low but should be refrigerated HEATING AND ventilate.


As designed the system so that from 8am to 20 pm there is a constant temperature of 24 degrees winter and summer only ventilation with a humidity of 50% all year round?

I could pass expidf file with the changes that should be done.
What is the difference between pthp hvac and hvac idealloadsystem.

I hope I can help.
Thanks.


--- El jue, 10/28/10, YuanLu Li <yli006@xxxxxxxxxxx> escribió:


De: YuanLu Li <yli006@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Asunto: RE: [EnergyPlus_Support] Error
A: "Julian Florentinos" <julianflorentinos@xxxxxxxxx>
Fecha: jueves, 28 de octubre de 2010, 09:04 pm



Hi, Julian
 
I do not know why you are choosing PTHP as your system. The system is correctly entered in your IDF.   The expidf can be used for simulation without error, but with many warnings to let know that the Heat Pump is not suitable at that location.
 
The IdealLoadSystem will probably get you all the values you need to design or modify the building.  You should not use 'absolue' and 'relative' for your coordinates.  The use of DesignBuilder may have confused you.
 
Your other requirements:
 
Is considered to install a solar heating system air to provide cooling in summer only, including treatment of humidity, as it is considered that the thermal requirements of heating are negligible.

Heat pump does not work below 5°C, therefore the auxiliary heater was heating your building.

No cooling required at La Molina.  You may have chosen a wrong location for your exercise.

 

In your IDF:

Site:Location,
    LA MOLINA
,               !- Name
    42.34,                   !- Latitude {deg}
    1.96,                    !- Longitude {deg}
    1,                       !- Time Zone {hr}
    1932;                    !- Elevation {m}

 

At 43.34 latitude and 1932m above sea level, I do not think you can get 24°C all the year around, without heating.

 

The lighting load is 17W/m2 (30% convective) and a control system on / off. it depends on the external radiation (1600kJ/h.m2 setpoint). ????

 
Daylighting can be invoked in EnergyPlus by the use of two objects: Daylighting:Controls
and Daylighting:DELight:Controls.
 
All windows have internal shutters are controlled on / off is switched on or off according to external radiation (setpoint 1600kJ/h.m2 - 450W/m2).  

 

To do this simulation, you will need  to add WindowMaterial:Shade (page 124 IO Manual) for your windows,  and define a WindowProperty:ShadingControl object, which can use the solar beam to turn the blind slat angle.


 

 Dr. Li  

 

Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 05:11:15 -0700
From: julianflorentinos@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [EnergyPlus_Support] Error
To: yli006@xxxxxxxxxxx

Hello Dr Li,

I have problems to solve this exercise, I leave attached below the data to see them and can guide me to resolve them better.
Also I have to get another year to obtain temperatures of 24C ° and constant humidity of 50%.
We spent a expidf file to enter the examples there if possible as this is the way to better understand what I should do.
As simepre agradesco and respect him very much for your dedication.
Greetings.
Julian.


--- El mar, 10/26/10, YuanLu Li <yli006@xxxxxxxxxxx> escribió:

De: YuanLu Li <yli006@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Asunto: RE: [EnergyPlus_Support] Error
A: "Julian Florentinos" <julianflorentinos@xxxxxxxxx>
Fecha: martes, 26 de octubre de 2010, 08:33 pm

Hi, Julian
 
I do not think there is any error in the IDF.
 
There was no cooling load, because the highest outdoor temperature is below 20°C, probably because the location is over 1000m above sea level.

 Dr. Li  



 

Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 06:21:28 -0700
From: julianflorentinos@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [EnergyPlus_Support] Error
To: yli006@xxxxxxxxxxx

hello Dr Li,

It previously was simulated with weather data for Barcelona but for now enter the Molina, in doing this I get errors:

   
** Warning ** World Coordinate System selected. Any non-zero, Building / Zone Axes North Zone or non-zero Origins Are ignored.
   
~ ~ ~ ** ** These May be Used in Calculations Coordinate daylighting reference point But Not in normal geometry inputs.
   
** Warning ** Calculated design cooling load for zone = zone 1 is zero.
   
** ~ ~ ** Check Sizing: Zone and ZoneControl: Thermostat inputs.
   
** Warning ** Calculated design cooling load for zone = 3Zone is zero.
   
** ~ ~ ** Check Sizing: Zone and ZoneControl: Thermostat inputs.

How can I fix it?

Greetings and thanks





 



__._,_.___


Primary EnergyPlus support is found at:
http://energyplus.helpserve.com or send a message to energyplus-support@xxxxxxxx

The primary EnergyPlus web site is found at:
http://www.energyplus.gov

The group web site is:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EnergyPlus_Support/

Attachments are currently allowed but be mindful that not everyone has a high speed connection.  Limit attachments to small files.

EnergyPlus Documentation is searchable.  Open EPlusMainMenu.pdf under the Documentation link and press the "search" button.




Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional
Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required)
Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured
Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe

__,_._,___