You need to have some sort plan for how you want to control the supply air temperature.
It sounds like you may want to select one single zone to use for control purposes and then use a Setpoint:Manager:SingleZoneReheat object to dynamically adjust the overall supply air setpoint depending on what that zone needs.
From: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of vieira.jose99
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 9:02 AM
To: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [EnergyPlus_Support] Re: AirTerminal:SingleDuct:VAV:NoReheat
Thank-you for your help. I have been trying all day now the AirTerminal:SingleDuct:Uncontrolled but still cannot set up it so room temperatures ar at minimum 20ºC maximum 25ºC. I have tried a few options on the setpoint manager and cannot get to the minimum temperture in winter.
Lets say a have a AHU, no zone reheat. The AHU must handel the loads, so room mean air temperature is 20ºC to 25ºC year-round.
I have tried using a controller for the heat and cool water coils, but have to define a "zone inlet node" temperature setpoint(or a splitter inlet node temperature setpoint), this is where I have problems, I want that node temperature to get automatically set depending on room temperature and its thermostat. But when using a controller for these coils i must set setpoint temperatures for them.
I have tried the system without the cool and heat water coil controllers, and run the simulation, but still cannot get 20/25ºC.
The system is mostly on "autosize" so there are no limitations to coil and fan capacities..
I have no internal gains setup. I am studing these option for my thesis in with i will have to simulate an AHU. Please can someone point me in the right direction? I am not seeing what is missing.
Thank-you all for helping
--- In EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, x z <xs.zhang.2010@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Vieira,
>
> I had the same issues when I was debuging my model with
> AirTerminal:Singleduct:VAV:NoReheat or AirTerminal:SingleDuct:Uncontrolled.
> (I used AirTerminal:SingleDuct:Uncontrolled)
>
> There is tricky question whether you have one air-handler serving one zone
> or multiple zones. If multiple zones, you may risk that your AHU's supply
> air condition satisfy one zone's heat load but may not meet other zones'.
> You can try some SetpointManger for your supply air condition. It really
> depends on your zones' heat load profile
>
> If only one zone per AHU.. Then you should be able to get your zone
> temperature under control by using SetPointManager:WrmestTemperatureFlow or
> some others for your supply air condition. Basically, you give the lowest
> (cooling) and highest (heating) supply air condition. Then the system will
> determine the SAT based on your load condition
>
> Another thing to check is your thermostat. Sometime your temperature is
> seating between the deadband. Properly setup the deadband or simply use
> control type 1 or 2 if you heating/cooling need is simple may also help
>
> XS
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 11:09 AM, vieira.jose99 <vieira.jose99@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I have verified that i cannot create a AirTerminal:Singleduct:VAV:NoReheat
> > to get zone temperatures in between 20/25 ºC. I have to define a controller
> > to the heating and cooling coils (both water) of the air handeling unit then
> > that makes me define setpoint air temperatures of the air entering the zone.
> >
> > Even if i delete the heat coil controller, the zone temperature in winter
> > does not reach 20ºC.
> >
> > Basically I want to simulate an Air Handeling Unit with pre-heat, cooling
> > and heating coil (all water), mixing box and a variable fan. No terminal
> > reheating.
> >
> > What option must i choose?
> > Air:Terminal:SingleDuct:Uncontrolled?? if i choose this i think i cannot
> > define de airBranch;
> > Or should i look into NaturalVentilationAndDuctLeakage for the system? but
> > this does not allow the choise of a variable fan.
> >
> > Thank-you
> >
> > --- In EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Richard Raustad <RRaustad@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Sounds like you need to include a heating coil in the air loop when
> > > using AirTerminal:Singleduct:VAV:NoReheat. I you already have one then
> > > you are not controlling it correctly or the zone loads are so diverse
> > > that some will wind up below 20C. This can sometimes be corrected by
> > > balancing the air loop flow rates to each zone (i.e., giving more flow
> > > to colder zones and less flow to warmer zones).
> > >
> > > The supply air reset schedule is used to minimize heating energy in
> > > winter. If you kept the same cold supply air temperature all year
> > > around, the heating coils would have to work harder in the winter.
> > >
> > > On 3/24/2011 5:47 AM, vieira.jose99 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > AirTerminal:SingleDuct:VAV:NoReheat
> > > >
> > > > I have set up everything, but I want the mean air temperature to be in
> > > > between 20 and 25ºC. But this does not happen. I have the thermostats
> > > > configured to be 20/25ºC.
> > > > The mean air temperature just stays a few degrees above the outside
> > > > air temperature.
> > > > I have the coils, boiler and chiller on autosize.
> > > >
> > > > When I configure the same setup to AirTerminal:SingleDuct:VAV:Reheat
> > > > with reheat coils on autosize, I get it to be in between 20 and 25ºC.
> > > >
> > > > Any advice?
> > > >
> > > > Also....can someone explain what is the "Seasonal Reset Supply Air
> > > > Temp Sch" for? I have read the inputoutput, but still cannot
> > > > understand the basics of this schedule.
> > > >
> > > > thank-you
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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