When you are reading the document and the IDF file, you do not have any "apps" to push around.
iPhone and iad screen is too small.
When I wanted to find and change some group of text, I can do it easily using any old unitilities. Windows 7 cannot run the old Windows software without loading the compatibility mode vertual PC with Windows 7 Pro.
I am not using one PC to do everything.
I use the PC with WindowsME to read and modify text files. EPlus MACRO editing can run on this PC as well.
I used the PC with Windows VISTA to do the normal EPlus simulation.
When Windows 7 was available, I thought I should have a look at this new advanced software. When I run the Windows 7 Home edition on a new ACER Lap-top, all my Chinese IME were changed or not available. My program compiled with Borlandc OWL would not run. The RW CD also cannot be read on the DVD drive. Then I up graded the OS to Window 7 Pro. It is running like a slow XP PC.
When starting with EPlus, one must be told that the building model can be reused. Why using the 3 and 5 zone model for simulation.
The new generation computer user knows very little obout the computing itself. That is why they cannot run EPlus from DOS and customer the RVI and CSV files, etc. The building envelope is very easy to enter. I mentioned that the vertice for a zone has only six x,y,z numbers represented by the two opposite diagonal corners of the cube. Six macro lines would complete the srufaces of a retangular zone.
Of cource, try to ask a user to learn a computer language without a GUI. Very few would like to try.
When I showed the sketchUp to my grand children, they can build a complicated shape in minutes. Circular towers linked with cat walks, etc. Then I said draw me a simple house with a pitched roof with over hangs. The pitch roof was easy. The overhangs was not that simple to add. This is our next generation of programmers. Click, point, drag and pull.
The U-Tube tutorials are time consuming and do not show the user the foundamentals, because the details are difficult to be included in the lecture. Mainly point and click on these U-tube tutorials.
I know you are also a programmer yourself. When I was at the Imperial College (UK) there was no computer programming. We use the log table and a slide rule. I started program with the Mercury Autocode on the Mercury computer at the University of Manchester. We send in a deck of punch cards, and get the result back in puch card.
In 1975, when the Intel4004 and 8008 was available, we had to write our own OS and burn the UV ROM chips with our own burner. PDP computer was used to help.
There is no time for the students to learn a
From: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of YuanLu Li
Sent: Thu 15/03/2012 12:16
To: EnergyPlus_Support
Subject: RE: [EnergyPlus_Support] Which software to use?
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iPhone and iad screen is too small.
When I wanted to find and change some group of text, I can do it easily using any old unitilities. Windows 7 cannot run the old Windows software without loading the compatibility mode vertual PC with Windows 7 Pro.
I am not using one PC to do everything.
I use the PC with WindowsME to read and modify text files. EPlus MACRO editing can run on this PC as well.
I used the PC with Windows VISTA to do the normal EPlus simulation.
When Windows 7 was available, I thought I should have a look at this new advanced software. When I run the Windows 7 Home edition on a new ACER Lap-top, all my Chinese IME were changed or not available. My program compiled with Borlandc OWL would not run. The RW CD also cannot be read on the DVD drive. Then I up graded the OS to Window 7 Pro. It is running like a slow XP PC.
When starting with EPlus, one must be told that the building model can be reused. Why using the 3 and 5 zone model for simulation.
The new generation computer user knows very little obout the computing itself. That is why they cannot run EPlus from DOS and customer the RVI and CSV files, etc. The building envelope is very easy to enter. I mentioned that the vertice for a zone has only six x,y,z numbers represented by the two opposite diagonal corners of the cube. Six macro lines would complete the srufaces of a retangular zone.
Of cource, try to ask a user to learn a computer language without a GUI. Very few would like to try.
When I showed the sketchUp to my grand children, they can build a complicated shape in minutes. Circular towers linked with cat walks, etc. Then I said draw me a simple house with a pitched roof with over hangs. The pitch roof was easy. The overhangs was not that simple to add. This is our next generation of programmers. Click, point, drag and pull.
The U-Tube tutorials are time consuming and do not show the user the foundamentals, because the details are difficult to be included in the lecture. Mainly point and click on these U-tube tutorials.
I know you are also a programmer yourself. When I was at the Imperial College (UK) there was no computer programming. We use the log table and a slide rule. I started program with the Mercury Autocode on the Mercury computer at the University of Manchester. We send in a deck of punch cards, and get the result back in puch card.
In 1975, when the Intel4004 and 8008 was available, we had to write our own OS and burn the UV ROM chips with our own burner. PDP computer was used to help.
There is no time for the students to learn a
Dr Li,
I don't think being able to "read and run my EPlus IDF on my PC with Windows ME" is attractive to the new generation of building modellers. Try "read and run my EPlus IDF on my Android phone".
Yi
Dr Yi Zhang
IESD, De Montfort University, United Kingdom
From: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of YuanLu Li
Sent: Thu 15/03/2012 12:16
To: EnergyPlus_Support
Subject: RE: [EnergyPlus_Support] Which software to use?
EPlus by itself is a complete piece of research software.
All those who started from a thirt party interface has problems, because they have missed the learning phase of how to use EPlus, and to use the debugging and worked examples provided with the download.
The new OpenStudio, I am afraid is starting on the wrong format. The GUI should be written as an IDE and not as an Application for limited and packaged use. For example, select a PTAC and then allowed to add more components to it without restriction and option guides and then simulate with lots of warnings. I do not think that it is a good idea.
The multi-format use by the new OS for different sections of the IDF is not a bad idea, but it should be able to accept the text format IDF for that section. The new OSM format will not help user to understand the structure of the Fortran modules. No one can remember all those connection numbers.&nbs p; Of couse, the NewOS can have their own math modules.
Anyway, I noticed that most user of this group is no longer interested in energy saving by building design. They are mainly interested in providing HVAC to a bueutiful building designed by Graphic interface or to some so called "baseline buildings".
GUI is not really a learning tool. I am also worried that what all those "APPS" on the iPhone and iPad will do to the education of the next generation.
"What software to use?" If you widen the scope for this question, there are many problems.
What is the use of a beautiful building input with which the material and construction may not be correctly spedified? I know there are software that can do both well.
The Windows OS are getting bigger and therefore slower on an older PC. Windows 7 is not better than Windows Vista or XP. Windows 8 is on the way. They will be better for face book, U-tupe and digital TV. Why do I want to view TV on my PC?
I can still read and run my EPlus IDF on my PC with Windows ME.
Dr. Li
To: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
From: loconinja@xxxxxxxxx
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 11:53:55 +0100
Subject: Re: [EnergyPlus_Support] Which software to use?
All those who started from a thirt party interface has problems, because they have missed the learning phase of how to use EPlus, and to use the debugging and worked examples provided with the download.
The new OpenStudio, I am afraid is starting on the wrong format. The GUI should be written as an IDE and not as an Application for limited and packaged use. For example, select a PTAC and then allowed to add more components to it without restriction and option guides and then simulate with lots of warnings. I do not think that it is a good idea.
The multi-format use by the new OS for different sections of the IDF is not a bad idea, but it should be able to accept the text format IDF for that section. The new OSM format will not help user to understand the structure of the Fortran modules. No one can remember all those connection numbers.&nbs p; Of couse, the NewOS can have their own math modules.
Anyway, I noticed that most user of this group is no longer interested in energy saving by building design. They are mainly interested in providing HVAC to a bueutiful building designed by Graphic interface or to some so called "baseline buildings".
GUI is not really a learning tool. I am also worried that what all those "APPS" on the iPhone and iPad will do to the education of the next generation.
"What software to use?" If you widen the scope for this question, there are many problems.
What is the use of a beautiful building input with which the material and construction may not be correctly spedified? I know there are software that can do both well.
The Windows OS are getting bigger and therefore slower on an older PC. Windows 7 is not better than Windows Vista or XP. Windows 8 is on the way. They will be better for face book, U-tupe and digital TV. Why do I want to view TV on my PC?
I can still read and run my EPlus IDF on my PC with Windows ME.
Dr. Li
To: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
From: loconinja@xxxxxxxxx
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 11:53:55 +0100
Subject: Re: [EnergyPlus_Support] Which software to use?
IES VE, especially latest version, is extremely powerful all-in-one energy analysis software! I've worked in it.. it's easy to use, beautiful GUI, flexible, easy modeling modifications of any kind, with bunch of different modules available! The downside is that it costs an arm and a leg even with basic features.. but hey, you can't have it all. There is 30 days free trial, so give it a shot..
On the other hand, EnergyPlus and all Open Studio plugins are completely free, but in my experience can become really time consuming if you're using them separately.. for example OS just for modeling and E+ for simulation runs! A new GUI for E+ is expected this year by DOE, so you can check it out here: http://simulationresearch.lbl.gov/projects/gui We'll just have o wait and see..
P.S. Also, check out gModeller, a Green Space plugin for Sketchup. Modeling-vise only, it can be a piece of cake, so that later on you can use those models in E+ via Open Studio.
Cheers
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