Jim, Yuanlu, and Richard,
Interesting to hear that this is
your "favorite" EnergyPlus
error. If
it's a systemic or reoccurring
error, that would tell me
there's
something faulty in the
EnergyPlus sizing algorithm, or
at least for
certain conditions.
Looking at the comments from
Yuanlu and Richard, who reported
that the
file ran fine using either no
weather file or for some other
location,
this problem seems related to
the weather file used. What I
used was
CZ15RV2 (here attached in Zip
form), which is the standard
California
Energy Commission weather file
for Climate Zone 15 for the
desert areas
in Southern California. The file
is also available from the
EnergyPlus
Weather web site under
California.
I appreciate your suggestion
about simply shutting off the AC
in
December, but I thought this
error was caused in the sizing
routine, not
the simulation. Perhaps someone
should explain to me in brief
how and
when EnergyPlus does its sizing
calculations. Isn't it done
using the
DDY file?
I get back to the reported
outlet air temperature of -74 C
in the err
report. This is so out of normal
that it makes me question the
algorithm. I looked at the
weather file and the lowest
temperatures are
still above 0C , so what drives
EnergyPlus to derive such a
out-of-bounds result? This
reminds me of the problems I had
5 years ago
when some runs were failing,
with zone temperatures exceeding
200 C.
I attributed those to iterations
going haywire, but here I'm
wondering
if it' a problem in the
psychrometrics.
I would ask Yuanlu and Richard
to try the IDF again with the
CZ15RV2
file, and see if the same error
occurs.
Joe
Joe Huang
White Box Technologies, Inc.
346 Rheem Blvd., Suite 108D
Moraga CA 94556
yjhuang@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.whiteboxtechnologies.com
(o) (925)388-0265
(c) (510)928-2683
"building energy simulations at
your fingertips"
On 3/16/2012 6:46 AM, Jim Dirkes
wrote:
>
> Dear Joe,
>
> This is my “favorite”
EnergyPlus error!
>
> Essentially, EnergyPlus is
convinced, with good reasons,
that DX coils
> are not rated to operate
outside of the range shown in
your errors,
> which corresponds to about
300-450 cfm/ton. (The acceptable
range
> widens for operation).
>
> Part of the key here is
that we’re talking about the
coil rating
> conditions. For autosizing,
E+ assumes the same rating and
operating
> conditions.
>
> Richard Raustad of the E+
Help desk is approaching
sainthood for his
> patience in answering many
of my questions and bearing with
my
> frustration on this issue,
and is probably the “go–to”
expert on this
> topic.
>
> I’m trying to think what
may cause an autosized file to
trip this
> error and not coming up
with too much.
>
> ·You are using a
reasonable-to-generous delta T
of 10.4C / 18.7F,
> although ASHRAE 90.1 would
like you to use 11.1 / 20.
Increasing
> delta T should help.
>
> ·The error, however, occurs
in December. If your weather
file is a
> northern hemisphere
location, there’s no reason a
cooling coil should
> operate. Perhaps you should
schedule it off. The schedule
for this
> in a full year simulation
is tricky because TMY weather
patterns (and
> winter warm periods)
differ, but it may work out for
you since the
> error occurs during warmup…
>
> ·There is a simple EMS
method for turning off DX coils
when the
> outdoor temp exceeds a
specified value; very handy for
minimizing
> warnings about operating
your DX coil during cold weather
and
> producing sub-freezing
outlet temps.
>
> That’s all I can think of
for now.
>
> *The Building Performance
Team
> **James V. Dirkes II, P.E.,
BEMP , LEED AP
> *1631 Acacia Drive NW
> Grand Rapids, MI 49504
> 616 450 8653
>
> *From:
*EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:
EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
*On Behalf Of *Joe Huang
> *Sent:* Friday, March 16,
2012 4:10 AM
> *To:*
EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:*
[EnergyPlus_Support] Fatal error
with sizing of AC coil,
> what could be the problem?
>
> Hello,
>
> I have a small project to
translate a large number of
eQUEST input
> files to EnergyPlus IDF. I
have developed
> a procedure that seems to
work, but in a few cases I have
encountered
> a Fatal error in the HVAC
system sizing
> that persists even when I
set the Rated Cooling Capacity,
Sensible
> Heat Ratio, and Air Flow
Rate all to "autosize".
>
> The *.err file shows the
following :
>
> ** Severe ** Sizing:
Coil:Cooling:DX:SingleSpeed
"EL1-SYS1-PSZ-M.S
> DX COOLING COIL": Rated air
volume flow rate per watt of
rated total
> cooling capacity is out of
range.
> ** ~~~ ** Min Rated Vol
Flow Per Watt=[4.027E-005],
Rated Vol
> Flow Per Watt=[6.656E-006],
Max Rated Vol Flow Per
Watt=[6.041E-005].
> See Input-Output Reference
Manual for valid range.
> ** Severe ** For object =
Coil:Cooling:DX:SingleSpeed,
name =
> "EL1-SYS1-PSZ-M.S DX
COOLING COIL"
> ** ~~~ ** Calculated outlet
air relative humidity greater
than
> 1. The combination of
> ** ~~~ ** rated air volume
flow rate, total cooling
capacity and
> sensible heat ratio yields
coil exiting
> ** ~~~ ** air conditions
above the saturation curve.
Possible
> fixes are to reduce the
rated total cooling
> ** ~~~ ** capacity,
increase the rated air volume
flow rate, or
> reduce the rated sensible
heat ratio for this coil.
> ** ~~~ ** If autosizing, it
is recommended that all three of
> these values be autosized.
> ** ~~~ ** ...Inputs used
for calculating cooling coil
bypass
> factor.
> ** ~~~ ** ...Inlet Air
Temperature = 26.67 C
> ** ~~~ ** ...Outlet Air
Temperature = -74.52 C
> ** ~~~ ** ...Inlet Air
Humidity Ratio = 1.125000E-002
kg/kg
> ** ~~~ ** ...Outlet Air
Humidity Ratio = 1.000000E-005
kg/kg
> ** ~~~ ** ...Total Cooling
Capacity used in calculation =
> 362778.00 W
> ** ~~~ ** ...Air Mass Flow
Rate used in calculation =
> 2.783088 kg/s
> ** ~~~ ** ...Air Volume
Flow Rate used in calculation =
> 2.414784 m3/s
> ** ~~~ ** ...Air Volume
Flow Rate per Watt of Rated
Cooling
> Capacity is also out of
bounds at = 6.6563684E-006
m3/s/W
> ** ~~~ ** During Warmup,
Environment=CZ06RV2 COLDEST DAY
FROM
> WEATHER FILE, at Simulation
time=12/28 00:00 - 00:15
> ** Fatal ** Check and
revise the input data for this
coil before
> rerunning the simulation.
>
> The *.idf file shows the
following :
>
>
Coil:Cooling:DX:SingleSpeed,
> EL1-Sys1-PSZ-G.S DX Cooling
Coil, !- Name
> S1-Sys1-PSZ-FaQ3, !-
Availability Schedule Name
> autosize, !- Rated Total
Cooling Capacity {W}
> autosize, !- Rated Sensible
Heat Ratio
> 3.172176, !- Rated COP
{W/W}
> autosize, !- Rated Air Flow
Rate {m3/s}
> , !- Rated Evaporator Fan
Power Per Volume
> Flow Rate {W/(m3/s)}
> EL1-Sys1-PSZ-G.S Mixed Air
Outlet, !- Air Inlet Node Name
> EL1-Sys1-PSZ-G.S Cooling
Coil Outlet, !- Air Outlet Node
Name
> Car_48TM012-Cool, !- Total
Cooling Capacity Function of
> Temperature Curve Name
> SDL-C78, !- Total Cooling
Capacity Function of Flow
> Fraction Curve Name
> Car_48TM012-EIR-, !- Energy
Input Ratio Function of
> Temperature Curve Name
> SDL-C93, !- Energy Input
Ratio Function of Flow
> Fraction Curve Name
> VarSpeedCyclingPLFFPLR; !-
Part Load Fraction Correlation
Curve Name
>
> I'm particularly bothered
by the unrealistically low
outlet air
> temperature. Has anyone
encountered this problem?
> Since I've already set
everything to autosize, I'm
stuck on how else I
> can fix this problem.
>
> Any help or observations
would be much appreciated.
>
> I've attached the full IDF
with this e-mail:
>
OfL-w06-v96-hDXGF-cMsr-mNE-ILtg-FixtPwr-Prim-48in100wT12RefESMg100w-48in55wT8RefEl55w_2.idf
> . The weather file used is
CZ15RV2.epw .
>
> Joe
> Hello,
>
> I have a small project to
translate a large number of
eQUEST input
> files to EnergyPlus IDF. I
have developed
> a procedure that seems to
work, but in a few cases I have
encountered
> a Fatal error in the HVAC
system sizing
> that persists even when I
set the Rated Cooling Capacity,
Sensible
> Heat Ratio, and Air Flow
Rate all to "autosize".
>
> The *.err file shows the
following :
>
> ** Severe ** Sizing:
Coil:Cooling:DX:SingleSpeed
"EL1-SYS1-PSZ-M.S
> DX COOLING COIL": Rated air
volume flow rate per watt of
rated total
> cooling capacity is out of
range.
> ** ~~~ ** Min Rated Vol
Flow Per Watt=[4.027E-005],
Rated Vol
> Flow Per Watt=[6.656E-006],
Max Rated Vol Flow Per
Watt=[6.041E-005].
> See Input-Output Reference
Manual for valid range.
> ** Severe ** For object =
Coil:Cooling:DX:SingleSpeed,
name =
> "EL1-SYS1-PSZ-M.S DX
COOLING COIL"
> ** ~~~ ** Calculated outlet
air relative humidity greater
than
> 1. The combination of
> ** ~~~ ** rated air volume
flow rate, total cooling
capacity and
> sensible heat ratio yields
coil exiting
> ** ~~~ ** air conditions
above the saturation curve.
Possible
> fixes are to reduce the
rated total cooling
> ** ~~~ ** capacity,
increase the rated air volume
flow rate, or
> reduce the rated sensible
heat ratio for this coil.
> ** ~~~ ** If autosizing, it
is recommended that all three of
> these values be autosized.
> ** ~~~ ** ...Inputs used
for calculating cooling coil
bypass factor.
> ** ~~~ ** ...Inlet Air
Temperature = 26.67 C
> ** ~~~ ** ...Outlet Air
Temperature = -74.52 C
> ** ~~~ ** ...Inlet Air
Humidity Ratio = 1.125000E-002
kg/kg
> ** ~~~ ** ...Outlet Air
Humidity Ratio = 1.000000E-005
kg/kg
> ** ~~~ ** ...Total Cooling
Capacity used in calculation =
> 362778.00 W
> ** ~~~ ** ...Air Mass Flow
Rate used in calculation =
> 2.783088 kg/s
> ** ~~~ ** ...Air Volume
Flow Rate used in calculation =
> 2.414784 m3/s
> ** ~~~ ** ...Air Volume
Flow Rate per Watt of Rated
Cooling
> Capacity is also out of
bounds at = 6.6563684E-006
m3/s/W
> ** ~~~ ** During Warmup,
Environment=CZ06RV2 COLDEST DAY
FROM
> WEATHER FILE, at Simulation
time=12/28 00:00 - 00:15
> ** Fatal ** Check and
revise the input data for this
coil before
> rerunning the simulation.
>
> The *.idf file shows the
following :
>
>
Coil:Cooling:DX:SingleSpeed,
> EL1-Sys1-PSZ-G.S DX Cooling
Coil, !- Name
> S1-Sys1-PSZ-FaQ3, !-
Availability Schedule Name
> autosize, !- Rated Total
Cooling Capacity {W}
> autosize, !- Rated Sensible
Heat Ratio
> 3.172176, !- Rated COP
{W/W}
> autosize, !- Rated Air Flow
Rate {m3/s}
> , !- Rated Evaporator Fan
Power Per Volume
> Flow Rate {W/(m3/s)}
> EL1-Sys1-PSZ-G.S Mixed Air
Outlet, !- Air Inlet Node Name
> EL1-Sys1-PSZ-G.S Cooling
Coil Outlet, !- Air Outlet Node
Name
> Car_48TM012-Cool, !- Total
Cooling Capacity Function of
> Temperature Curve Name
> SDL-C78, !- Total Cooling
Capacity Function of Flow
> Fraction Curve Name
> Car_48TM012-EIR-, !- Energy
Input Ratio Function of
> Temperature Curve Name
> SDL-C93, !- Energy Input
Ratio Function of Flow
> Fraction Curve Name
> VarSpeedCyclingPLFFPLR; !-
Part Load Fraction Correlation
Curve Name
>
> I'm particularly bothered
by the unrealistically low
outlet air
> temperature. Has anyone
encountered this problem?
> Since I've already set
everything to autosize, I'm
stuck on how else I
> can fix this problem.
>
> Any help or observations
would be much appreciated.
>
> I've attached the full IDF
with this e-mail:
>
OfL-w06-v96-hDXGF-cMsr-mNE-ILtg-FixtPwr-Prim-48in100wT12RefESMg100w-48in55wT8RefEl55w_2.idf
> . The weather file used is
CZ15RV2.epw .
>
> Joe
>
> Joe Huang
> White Box Technologies,
Inc.
> 346 Rheem Blvd., Suite 108D
> Moraga CA 94556
>
yjhuang@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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