You can have 12 different day types for DesignDay objects.
WinterDesignDay, and SummerDesignDay are two of them. Sunday, Monday, ...Saturday, Holiday,
To: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
From: malzuu@xxxxxxxx
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 21:37:06 +0100
Subject: Re: [EnergyPlus_Support] designday used on more days
From: YuanLu Li <yli006@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: EnergyPlus_Support <energyplus_support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 7:54 PM
Subject: RE: [EnergyPlus_Support] designday used on more days
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WinterDesignDay, and SummerDesignDay are two of them. Sunday, Monday, ...Saturday, Holiday,
Customday1 and customdy2 are the others. These are for the day schedules.
If you have three dayTypes in the schedule, you can run them with three DesignDay object of the same DryBulb, etc. with a different date to line up with the display time/date in the spread sheet.
Make sure you change the name of the DesignDay object. Duplicated name will cause a crash.
The standard profile has a minimem at 5 am and a maximum at 2 pm. If you change this you need to adjust the temperature range to match, and a reasonab le wetBulb value. The dayType is independent of this field. So you have have the same schedule, and different temperature profile.
The date will change the solar angle. The skyclearness will change the cloud cover condition. Same dryBUlb with a different skycover will give you different maximum peak temperature. This is what happen in the real siguation, the sun is covered by cloud, and the OD temperture falls.
It is very flexible. The resultant solar conditiona can be displayed, when available.
So you can get results on hundreds of different custommed conditions with one simulation.
There are some limitations on algorithms available. For example, when the rain flag is set, it rains for the whole day.
Dr. Li
To: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
From: malzuu@xxxxxxxx
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 21:37:06 +0100
Subject: Re: [EnergyPlus_Support] designday used on more days
hi,
i have to use a design day because i have to run a simulation with a given environment temperature for a week or two.
i do not need a weatherdata file also if it wuold been better.
i have as input a curve of 7 day equal. or 6 equal and one with a peek.
on designday i saw tha i can override the weatherfile temperature using as input the drybulb temperaure max and then schedule an hourly differenceschedule.
the problem is that i am able to use this specific designday for only a day in simulation while i need a seven day profile.
the best for me wuold be able to build an epw file with hourly temperature for a specific period, but did not find any way to edit epw file as i
need.
any suggestion is wellcome....
From: YuanLu Li <yli006@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: EnergyPlus_Support <energyplus_support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 7:54 PM
Subject: RE: [EnergyPlus_Support] designday used on more days
You need to explain why you want to do designDay sizing for more than one day. I may then help you to explore more on the DesignDay sizing or simulation.
In a uniform sine wave, there is only one peak value. It does not matter how many cycle you look at, it will give you the same peak value.
When you have a distorted sine wave, or the sum of a number of sine waves, then the peak value can change. Looking for a few consequtive cycles may not give you the maximum peak value.
The measurement then relies on statitistical approach, using peak to average ratio, fast rise and slow decay by integration, etc. Power based measurement are used to sum a number of similar waveform together, loading factor.
Then the maximum peak is defined for a specific type of waveforms.
With TMY, the data cover a period of one year and have a daily cycle. In general, the Winter has lower temperature and Summer has higher temperature as a day time maximum in the Northern hemisphere.
ASHRAE IWEC has a certain statistical information of the weather file as the header of the weather file.
The more detailed statistical data is in the .stat file. For sizing application, the .ddy file has the EPlus DesignDay objects for heating and cooling season, at various level of high and low probability of occurance. The follow is an example of a heating DesignDay object listing.
! Los Angeles Intl Arpt_CA_USA Annual Heating Design Conditions Wind Speed=2.4m/s Wind Dir=90
! Coldest Month=JAN
! Los Angeles Intl Arpt_CA_USA Annual Heating 99.6%, MaxDB=6.9°C
SizingPeriod:DesignDay,
Los Angeles Intl Arpt Ann Htg 99.6% Condns DB, !- Name
6.9, !- Maximum Dry-Bulb Temperature {C}
0.0, !- Daily Dry-Bulb Temperature Range {deltaC}
6.9, !- Humidity Indicating Conditions at Maximum Dry-Bulb
100965., !- Barometric Pressure {Pa}
2.4, !- Wind Speed {m/s}
90, !- Wind Direction {deg}
0.00, !- Sky Clearness
0, !- Rain Indicator
0, !- Snow Indicator
21, !- Day of Month
1, !- Month
WinterDesignDay, !- Day Type
0, !- Daylight Saving Time Indicator
WetBulb; !- Humidity Indicating Type
!- =====================
Annual Heating 99.6%, MaxDB=6.9°C is the special characteristic of the DesignDay object.
It means that only 0.4% of the days in the year may be colder than this condition. Note also that it has no sun during the day.
There may be more than 16 different DesignDay object files in a .ddy file for one locaion with different combination of humidity indicating type, and dry bulb/ % values.
There are a few more fields below the WetBulb.
DesignDay sizing object may originally specially designed for sizing of HVAC equipment.
I am using it for running current locally measured environment data, as the fields are easier to change and modify..
Using weather file for sizing is not really adviceable, unless you know the content of the weather file well.
Using a shorter section of weather file to run normal simulation is to save time, while debugging.
The reason to use normal weather file simulation is that the Sizing run using DesignDay assumes that the warming up is using the same data until the two midnight results matches. Separate warm up run is done for every DesignDay object.
In the run peiod simulation, the zone sizing, system sizing, and plant sizing is done, and then the weather file data is used one day after another till the end of the day chosen, the process can be asked to repeat a few times to verify that the data initializing process is not affecting the first day's result.
Many users are not following this sizing and run period procedure and get unexpected reaults.
Because I also use the DesignDay sizing run for other purposes, that was why I ask you the reason for doing multiple designDay run.
I am doing multiple DesignDay object sizing run using different DesignDay data on different date to study the effect of sun beam through windows. No HVAC equipment is involved in my studies.
Dr. Li
To: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
From: malzuu@xxxxxxxx
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 12:00:01 +0000
Subject: [EnergyPlus_Support] designday used on more days
In a uniform sine wave, there is only one peak value. It does not matter how many cycle you look at, it will give you the same peak value.
When you have a distorted sine wave, or the sum of a number of sine waves, then the peak value can change. Looking for a few consequtive cycles may not give you the maximum peak value.
The measurement then relies on statitistical approach, using peak to average ratio, fast rise and slow decay by integration, etc. Power based measurement are used to sum a number of similar waveform together, loading factor.
Then the maximum peak is defined for a specific type of waveforms.
With TMY, the data cover a period of one year and have a daily cycle. In general, the Winter has lower temperature and Summer has higher temperature as a day time maximum in the Northern hemisphere.
ASHRAE IWEC has a certain statistical information of the weather file as the header of the weather file.
The more detailed statistical data is in the .stat file. For sizing application, the .ddy file has the EPlus DesignDay objects for heating and cooling season, at various level of high and low probability of occurance. The follow is an example of a heating DesignDay object listing.
! Los Angeles Intl Arpt_CA_USA Annual Heating Design Conditions Wind Speed=2.4m/s Wind Dir=90
! Coldest Month=JAN
! Los Angeles Intl Arpt_CA_USA Annual Heating 99.6%, MaxDB=6.9°C
SizingPeriod:DesignDay,
Los Angeles Intl Arpt Ann Htg 99.6% Condns DB, !- Name
6.9, !- Maximum Dry-Bulb Temperature {C}
0.0, !- Daily Dry-Bulb Temperature Range {deltaC}
6.9, !- Humidity Indicating Conditions at Maximum Dry-Bulb
100965., !- Barometric Pressure {Pa}
2.4, !- Wind Speed {m/s}
90, !- Wind Direction {deg}
0.00, !- Sky Clearness
0, !- Rain Indicator
0, !- Snow Indicator
21, !- Day of Month
1, !- Month
WinterDesignDay, !- Day Type
0, !- Daylight Saving Time Indicator
WetBulb; !- Humidity Indicating Type
!- =====================
Annual Heating 99.6%, MaxDB=6.9°C is the special characteristic of the DesignDay object.
It means that only 0.4% of the days in the year may be colder than this condition. Note also that it has no sun during the day.
There may be more than 16 different DesignDay object files in a .ddy file for one locaion with different combination of humidity indicating type, and dry bulb/ % values.
There are a few more fields below the WetBulb.
DesignDay sizing object may originally specially designed for sizing of HVAC equipment.
I am using it for running current locally measured environment data, as the fields are easier to change and modify..
Using weather file for sizing is not really adviceable, unless you know the content of the weather file well.
Using a shorter section of weather file to run normal simulation is to save time, while debugging.
The reason to use normal weather file simulation is that the Sizing run using DesignDay assumes that the warming up is using the same data until the two midnight results matches. Separate warm up run is done for every DesignDay object.
In the run peiod simulation, the zone sizing, system sizing, and plant sizing is done, and then the weather file data is used one day after another till the end of the day chosen, the process can be asked to repeat a few times to verify that the data initializing process is not affecting the first day's result.
Many users are not following this sizing and run period procedure and get unexpected reaults.
Because I also use the DesignDay sizing run for other purposes, that was why I ask you the reason for doing multiple designDay run.
I am doing multiple DesignDay object sizing run using different DesignDay data on different date to study the effect of sun beam through windows. No HVAC equipment is involved in my studies.
Dr. Li
To: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
From: malzuu@xxxxxxxx
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 12:00:01 +0000
Subject: [EnergyPlus_Support] designday used on more days
Hi,
i would like to use a sizingperiod:designday on more than a singleday simulation.
I tried on different ways but with no results.if a build more sizingperiod:day the simulation do more single days while i have to do a week with the same single sizingperio:day object.
i ask if someone know how do that o for an example.
thnks in advance for any suggestions
Best Regards
i would like to use a sizingperiod:designday on more than a singleday simulation.
I tried on different ways but with no results.if a build more sizingperiod:day the simulation do more single days while i have to do a week with the same single sizingperio:day object.
i ask if someone know how do that o for an example.
thnks in advance for any suggestions
Best Regards
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