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Re: [EnergyPlus_Support] Chiller Branch Issue





Thanks Dr Li, 
This works in the example file- but the issue is the company sells these things- without modeling and I want to model them- it has to involve a real building or does not make since. 

The freezing temperature of our Phase Change Materials can be manufactured at any temperature from about -180 to +180 Celsius. 
Yes the idea would be to use this as a strategy to store night time cold for daytime cooling- if possible.. I so far have attempted to use chiller, DX and ideal loads- but have only been successful today for the first time with a chiller.  (thanks to the modeler who advised to change the node name)
Actually it would be interesting to be able to use this object with any cooling system, or even with just mechanical ventilation in a building without cooling.  

I thank you again for your response-

All the best- 


Jeremiah D. Crossett  | Senior Analyst  |  Phase Change Energy Solutions
120 E. Pritchard St.  | Asheboro, NC 27203  | Mobile 503-688-8951
www.phasechange.com 
 

  






On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 1:49 PM, YuanLu Li <yli006@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
 

Run the example file:  5ZoneDetailedIceStorage.idf

Because this program connects the ice tank in seriese with the chiller loop, it does not need an extra loop for the ice tank.

Glycol i sued to lower the temperature to -5°c when the chiller is on like to charge the ice tank.  The ice would form on the chiller coil in the ice tank.  When it is not charged, the ice melts, as the water temperature is raised to the normal chiller operation.

 

If you can fill the tank with ice, the storage capacity is increased 80 time.  Because the water ice transition has simple relation, it is rather simple to simulate.

 

What is the working temperature of the thermaSTIX.  Simply drop them into the ICE tank and set the freezing temperature.  Ice volume is calculated from the heat extracted from the tank. 

 

Actually, you simply increase the water tank size to that multiplied by the latent heat, the operating characteristic would be similar.   Cool the water to say 1°C during idle time and run the chiller at 1°C to 7°C with the compressor OFF, and then continue to run would be the same as freezing water into ICE and then melting it.

 

If the stix can freeze at 1°C  and melt at 1°C, it is behaving just like water/ice.  If you can freeze it at 1°C and melt at 30°C with a trigger, then it can be carrid around like the gel pack.

 

If it will freeze at 25°C and melt at the same or higher  temperature, then it  can be used to store night cooling

 

 Dr. Li  

 


To: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
From: jcrossett@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:09:57 -0700
Subject: [EnergyPlus_Support] Chiller Branch Issue


 
I finally seem to have gotten the ice storage object to work but now it says my chiller is missing- When attempting to re-connect the chiller in any logical way I can think of I get fatal errors saying that I have duplicate node names. I put the day into this yesterday, read documentation and ran experiments and seem to have not gotten the detailed ice storage object to work- but in the process have apparently disconnected my chiller.  Can anyone help? Dr Li, your previous advise was over complicated I see not reason to make a refrigerated room when the goal is to cold charge a PCM in the night to use it in the day to pre-cool input for a chiller for a non refrigerated space. 

 
** Severe  ** Plant Component Chiller:Electric:EIR called "CHILLER" was not found on any plant loops.
   **   ~~~   ** Looking for matching inlet Node="ICE TANK OUTLET".
   **  Fatal  ** InitElectricEIRChiller: Program terminated due to previous condition(s).
   ...Summary of Errors that led to program termination:
   ..... Reference severe error count=1
   ..... Last severe error=Plant Component Chiller:Electric:EIR called "CHILLER" was not found on any plant loops.

  This project in particular is to use BioPCM Thermastix, (see image below) in a container to absorb cold and use it for chiller pre-cooling- basically as a replacement for ice in an ice storage type setup- seems perfect for Energy Plus Ice Storage Detailed object as it allows the "ice" to melt at a user specified temperature, and as manufactures we can make our PCM-ICE to melt at any temperature-- but the question is what temperature and how much to use, both questions it would be great if Energy Plus could answer- if only I could get the object to work.. I have been trying on and off for days- so any help would be appreciated. 





Jeremiah D. Crossett  | Senior Analyst  |  Phase Change Energy Solutions
120 E. Pritchard St.  | Asheboro, NC 27203  | Mobile 503-688-8951
 

  








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