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Re: [EnergyPlus_Support] Re: Strange error = window vertices - but why?



Mostapha- thank you much- I forgot I had that object in here as it is there just in case I want to use it.. (that is why the fin depth is so very small)
I am now experimenting to get it as small as possible so I can parametricly study no shading vs various shading (it runs so that is good)  thanks again-

Linda+Narij+Ned 


Jeremiah D. Crossett  | Senior Analyst  |  Phase Change Energy Solutions
120 E. Pritchard St.  | Asheboro, NC 27203  | Mobile 503-688-8951
 

  






On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Mostapha Sadeghipour <sadeghipour@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
 

Jeremiah,

The problem is not because of your window. Window coordinates are fine:

FenestrationSurface:Detailed,
    Block1:Zone1_Wall_5_0_0_0_0_0_Win,  !- Name
    Window,                  !- Surface Type
    Window,                  !- Construction Name
    Block1:Zone1_Wall_5_0_0, !- Building Surface Name
    ,                        !- Outside Boundary Condition Object
    0.5,                     !- View Factor to Ground
    Window Shade Control,    !- Shading Control Name
    Frame & Divider ,        !- Frame and Divider Name
    1,                       !- Multiplier
    4,                       !- Number of Vertices
    -3.74464827,             !- Vertex 1 X-coordinate {m}
    -3.637644475,            !- Vertex 1 Y-coordinate {m}
    0.97536,                 !- Vertex 1 Z-coordinate {m}
    -1.30983827,             !- Vertex 2 X-coordinate {m}
    -3.637644475,            !- Vertex 2 Y-coordinate {m}
    0.97536,                 !- Vertex 2 Z-coordinate {m}
    -1.30983827,             !- Vertex 3 X-coordinate {m}
    -3.637644475,            !- Vertex 3 Y-coordinate {m}
    1.9812,                  !- Vertex 3 Z-coordinate {m}
    -3.74464827,             !- Vertex 4 X-coordinate {m}
    -3.637644475,            !- Vertex 4 Y-coordinate {m}
    1.9812;                  !- Vertex 4 Z-coordinate {m}

Your shading cause the problem. the extension from the window is 0 for left and right. If you read the error again it is about surface="FIN Left". Fix the lines below. start at line 2286 in your file.

!-   ===========  ALL OBJECTS IN CLASS: SHADING:FIN:PROJECTION ===========

Shading:Fin:Projection,
    Fin,                     !- Name
    Block1:Zone1_Wall_5_0_0_0_0_0_Win,  !- Window or Door Name
    0,                       !- Left Extension from Window/Door {m}
    0,                       !- Left Distance Above Top of Window {m}
    0,                       !- Left Distance Below Bottom of Window {m}
    90,                      !- Left Tilt Angle from Window/Door {deg}
    0.0001,                  !- Left Depth as Fraction of Window/Door Width {m}
    0,                       !- Right Extension from Window/Door {m}
    0,                       !- Right Distance Above Top of Window {m}
    0,                       !- Right Distance Below Bottom of Window {m}
    90,                      !- Right Tilt Angle from Window/Door {deg}
    0.0001;                  !- Right Depth as Fraction of Window/Door Width {m}

Mostapha

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 7:14 PM, Jeremiah Crossett <jcrossett@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
 

But I want to use a blind with glare shading control and the window is operable with air flow network- will "window" work for this?



Jeremiah D. Crossett  | Senior Analyst  |  Phase Change Energy Solutions
120 E. Pritchard St.  | Asheboro, NC 27203  | Mobile 503-688-8951
 

  






On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Jeremiah Crossett <jcrossett@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Thanks Linda I will give that a shot.


Jeremiah D. Crossett  | Senior Analyst  |  Phase Change Energy Solutions
120 E. Pritchard St.  | Asheboro, NC 27203  | Mobile 503-688-8951
 

  






On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Linda Lawrie <linda@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
 

There are two "simple" window objects that you might use.

Window and
WIndow:Interzone

you define the window by length and height - relative to the surface
origin on which it sits.



On 2012-08-30 18:02, Jeremiah Crossett wrote:
> Mostpha, 
> Attached is my base file I have used this change out building
> surfaces
> and window before without a problem- today I am using it for a dorm
> and it is having this issue- titled Dorm-r-shoebox, and
> the geometry file that I got the window from titled geometry-2. 
>
> Narij- I am not sure how to define a window correctly by number in
> idf
> editor? possibly you could let me know how you advise I do so? or are
> you saying to do it in open studio?
>
> JEREMIAH D. CROSSETT  | Senior Analyst  |  Phase Change Energy
> Solutions
> 120 E. PRITCHARD ST.  | ASHEBORO, NC 27203  | MOBILE 503-688-8951

>  
>  
>
>   
>
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Niraj Poudel <nirajpdl@xxxxxxxxx
> [15]> wrote:
>
>>  
>>
>> Jeremiah,
>>
>> At this point I would also, just for the sake of it, try defining
>> the window directly into the .idf file as opposed to copying it from
>> DB into Eplus, and running it? Unless, the DB produced a .idf file
>> and you copied the object from the .idf file. I have not worked
>> across the DB and Eplus platforms so I do not know the work flow
>> between the two.
>>
>> Niraj  
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 7:41 PM, Jeremiah Crossett
>> <jcrossett@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [14]> wrote:
>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Any further advise would be great- it just does not make since to
>>> see a window in place but have it not run- I deleted the daylight
>>> sensor and still having the issue.
>>>
>>> JEREMIAH D. CROSSETT  | Senior Analyst  |  Phase Change
>>> Energy Solutions
>>> 120 E. PRITCHARD ST.  | ASHEBORO, NC 27203  | MOBILE 

>>>  
>>>  
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Jeremiah Crossett
>>> <jcrossett@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [13]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Niraj, Linda, Ned 
>>>>
>>>> So I opened my file in open studio to see if there was a window
>>>> there (before I started trying to understand how
>>>> the vertices related to each other and found that the daylight
>>>> sensor was outside of the space, and that the window was in the
>>>> right place.... 
>>>>
>>>> The strange thing is now I try to change where the daylight
>>>> sensor is located but that does not fix the issue- 
>>>>
>>>> JEREMIAH D. CROSSETT  | Senior Analyst  |  Phase Change
>>>> Energy Solutions
>>>> 120 E. PRITCHARD ST.  | ASHEBORO, NC 27203  | MOBILE 

>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>   
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Jeremiah Crossett
>>>> <jcrossett@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [12]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I just came across that- and it is "relative" for both the
>>>>> source file I took the window from and the file I am trying to
>>>>> use it within.
>>>>>
>>>>> JEREMIAH D. CROSSETT  | Senior Analyst  |  Phase Change
>>>>> Energy Solutions
>>>>> 120 E. PRITCHARD ST.  | ASHEBORO, NC 27203  | MOBILE 

>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>>   
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 4:21 PM, Niraj Poudel
>>>>> <nirajpdl@xxxxxxxxx [11]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jeremiah,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you have your "rectangular surface coordinate system" in
>>>>>> the GlobalGeometryRules object defined in the "relative" or
>>>>>> the "absolute" co-ordinate system? 
>>>>>> I think that is what Linda is alluding to. I might be
>>>>>> wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Niraj
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 7:13 PM, Jeremiah Crossett
>>>>>> <jcrossett@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [10]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry to be "dumb" but I do not quite understand the
>>>>>>> question- do you mean relative to the building surface
>>>>>>> detailed?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> JEREMIAH D. CROSSETT  | Senior Analyst  |  Phase
>>>>>>> Change Energy Solutions
>>>>>>> 120 E. PRITCHARD ST.  | ASHEBORO, NC 27203  | MOBILE 

>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Linda Lawrie
>>>>>>> <linda@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [9]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you have relative coordinates?  Such that when
>>>>>>>> turned to "absolute" you have this?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At 04:38 PM 8/30/2012, Jeremiah Crossett wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ned & Linda-
>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your avise- Now I am not sure what
>>>>>>>>> approach to take as the funny thing is that the
>>>>>>>>> origonal db file did not have any issue with this
>>>>>>>>> window:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> NameBlock1:Zone1_Wall_5_0_0_0_0_0_Win
>>>>>>>>> Surface TypeWindow
>>>>>>>>> Construction Name1001
>>>>>>>>> Building Surface NameBlock1:Zone1_Wall_5_0_0
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Outside Boundary Condition Object
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> View Factor to Ground.5
>>>>>>>>> Shading Control Name1001
>>>>>>>>> Frame and Divider Name1
>>>>>>>>> Multiplier1
>>>>>>>>> Number of Vertices4
>>>>>>>>> Vertex 1 X-coordinate-3.74464827
>>>>>>>>> Vertex 1 Y-coordinate-3.637644475
>>>>>>>>> Vertex 1 Z-coordinate.97536
>>>>>>>>> Vertex 2 X-coordinate-1.30983827
>>>>>>>>> Vertex 2 Y-coordinate-3.637644475
>>>>>>>>> Vertex 2 Z-coordinate.97536
>>>>>>>>> Vertex 3 X-coordinate-1.30983827
>>>>>>>>> Vertex 3 Y-coordinate-3.637644475
>>>>>>>>> Vertex 3 Z-coordinate1.9812
>>>>>>>>> Vertex 4 X-coordinate-3.74464827
>>>>>>>>> Vertex 4 Y-coordinate-3.637644475
>>>>>>>>> Vertex 4 Z-coordinate1.9812
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jeremiah D. Crossett  | Senior Analyst  |  Phase
>>>>>>>>> Change Energy Solutions
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 120 E. Pritchard St.  | Asheboro, NC 27203  |
>>>>>>>>> Mobile 503-688-8951 [1]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> www.phasechange.com [2]

>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Jeremiah Crossett <
>>>>>>>>> jcrossett@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [3]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I found the issue, I pasted a window in place from a
>>>>>>>>> DB file, and it was rejected- BUT I can not understand
>>>>>>>>> why? the vertices's look like they are in the right
>>>>>>>>> place-and I want the change the window like I have
>>>>>>>>> many times before... Any advise?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jeremiah D. Crossett  | Senior Analyst  |  Phase
>>>>>>>>> Change Energy Solutions
>>>>>>>>> 120 E. Pritchard St.  | Asheboro, NC 27203  |
>>>>>>>>> Mobile 503-688-8951 [4]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> www.phasechange.com [5]

>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Jeremiah Crossett <
>>>>>>>> jcrossett@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [6]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyone have ideas for this one> it was working fine and
>>>>>>>> I changed an airflow setting then this> when I change
>>>>>>>> back it does not go away...?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Program Version,EnergyPlus-64-MP 7.1.0.012, 8/30/2012
>>>>>>>> 3:03 PM,IDD_Version 7.1.0.012
>>>>>>>>    ************* Beginning Zone Sizing Calculations
>>>>>>>>    ** Severe  ** CalcCoordinateTransformation:
>>>>>>>> Invalid dot product, surface="FIN Left":
>>>>>>>>    **   ~~~   **  (  -3.745,  -3.638,  
>>>>>>>> 1.981)
>>>>>>>>    **   ~~~   **  (  -3.745,  -3.638,  
>>>>>>>> 0.975)
>>>>>>>>    **   ~~~   **  (  -3.745,  -3.638,  
>>>>>>>> 0.975)
>>>>>>>>    **   ~~~   **  (  -3.745,  -3.638,  
>>>>>>>> 1.981)
>>>>>>>>    **  Fatal  ** CalcCoordinateTransformation:
>>>>>>>> Program terminates due to preceding condition.
>>>>>>>>    ...Summary of Errors that led to program
>>>>>>>> termination:
>>>>>>>>    ..... Reference severe error count=1
>>>>>>>>    ..... Last severe
>>>>>>>> error=CalcCoordinateTransformation: Invalid dot product,
>>>>>>>> surface="FIN Left":
>>>>>>>>    ************* Warning:  Node connection errors
>>>>>>>> not checked - most system input has not been read (see
>>>>>>>> previous warning).
>>>>>>>>    ************* Fatal error -- final processing. 
>>>>>>>> Program exited before simulations began.  See previous
>>>>>>>> error messages.
>>>>>>>>    ************* EnergyPlus Warmup Error Summary.
>>>>>>>> During Warmup: 0 Warning; 0 Severe Errors.
>>>>>>>>    ************* EnergyPlus Sizing Error Summary.
>>>>>>>> During Sizing: 0 Warning; 1 Severe Errors.
>>>>>>>>    ************* EnergyPlus Terminated--Fatal Error
>>>>>>>> Detected. 0 Warning; 1 Severe Errors; Elapsed Time=00hr
>>>>>>>> 00min  0.86sec
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jeremiah D. Crossett  | Senior Analyst  |  Phase
>>>>>>>> Change Energy Solutions
>>>>>>>> 120 E. Pritchard St.  | Asheboro, NC 27203  | Mobile
>>>>>>>> 503-688-8951 [7]
>>>>>>>> www.phasechange.com [8]

>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Niraj Poudel, Architectural Engineer.
>>>>>> PhD student, PDBE Program.
>>>>>> Clemson University, Clemson, SC.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Niraj Poudel, Architectural Engineer.
>> PhD student, PDBE Program.
>> Clemson University, Clemson, SC.
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