[EnergyPlus_Support] Re: Zone colder than outdoors - without mechanical cooling!

["adamsrackes" <adamsrackes@xxxxxxxxx>]

Yes, all these responses make sense. I hadn't thought this have such a large effect for opaque surfaces. The Engineering Reference does explain the calculations. One things I don't understand there, for my own edification: how is a shape factor to the air defined? The calculations assume every surface has three SFs: sky, ground, and "air."

Thanks for all the quick responses.



--- In EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "adamsrackes"  wrote:
>
> I've noticed something strange in the model I've been working with. It's one of the Commercial Reference Buildings (CRB), essentially unmodified: the post-1980 vintage small office in Baltimore. This building has an attic-type roof, which is modeled as zone, but it has no heating or cooling. It gets extremely hot in the summer and extremely cold in the winter.
> 
> What doesn't make sense to me is that this attic zone temperature often falls _below_ the ambient temperature at nighttime. I can't see any reason why this should ever happen given that: there is no cooling system, the zone and outdoor temperature at these times are both falling and not rising, and all the other zones in the building are warmer than the ambient. It really doesn't make sense at any time of year, but it's especially hard to understand in the winter, when it's below 0 C outside. The difference is not insignificant--frequently up to about 5 C, or 9 F. 
> 
> As I said, the model is an unmodified CRB. Those models use the AnalyticalSolution for ZoneAirHeatBalanceAlgorithm. I've also tried ThirdOrderBackwardDifference (the default) and a few other things, at lots of different timesteps. The results do not change.
> 
> One of the following is in error, in decreasing order of likelihood: me, this CRB model, EnergyPlus, or the second law of thermodynamics. Any ideas how/why?
> 
> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/47230322/jan.png
> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/47230322/jul.png
> 
> Thanks,
> a
>




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