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Re: [EnergyPlus_Support] Re: Contaminant Modeling



Would integrating EnergyPlus with CONTAM be helpful? Using Matlab or any language which you can communicate to the two programs. We did some trials before and it is quite interesting. CONTAM can well capture both diffusion and convection.

Wei


On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 5:35 AM, Edward G. Lyon <eglyon@xxxxxxx> wrote:
 

Jean,

 

You can propagate a contaminant through an air flow network in EnergyPlus, but the results will not be very useful (so mixing also works).  The problem is that the contaminant will be fully mixed in the  first zone as it is dispersed.  If you start a fire in Zone 1, smoke rises to fill the space from the ceiling down.  It doesn?t flow to the next zone until it reaches the top of a door (or some other crack in the ceiling).  In EnergyPlus the contaminant is immediately fully mixed in the space (fully diluted) and will start moving into the next zone in  a diluted form where it  is again  further diluted by complete mixing in that zone. Generally you want to be able to see high concentration areas when working with contaminates.   CFD is better at moving the contaminant and maintaining concentrations with in a space, but many codes only have the contaminant riding on the air movement and not propagating on their own vapor pressures.  Consequently, it is difficult to properly simulate a pool of warm water in a space using most CFD because the water only moves as a contaminant on the air streams and not by vapor pressure.  More sophisticated CFD that can handle phase change materials can do better, but most of the focus in on combustion and very turbulent flow regimes, not typical of most building environments.

 

Ned Lyon, P.E. (MA, WV)
Staff Consultant

SIMPSON GUMPERTZ & HEGER
781.907.9000 main
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From: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jean marais
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 7:35 AM
To: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [EnergyPlus_Support] Re: Contaminant Modeling

 

 

Nothing wrong with uniform gas, but the question would be how this is or can be handled across zone boundries, i.e. non-CFD, IMO. It couldn't be too hard, or?

Jean




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Wei (Kelvin) Feng



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