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Re: [EnergyPlus_Support] Nominal capacity boiler/chiller: autosize or not?





Richard,

Thank you for the response, but I've expressed myself in a wrong way I think.
I don't want to calculate the consumption, but the 'demand', so efficiency is put at 100%

I've noticed that using autosize, sometimes gives me a total heating capacity which is to low.
If I manually set a higher capacity, the heating load is met.
However, raising the boiler capacity again and again, raises the heat demand at startups, getting higher (but smaller) peaks.
These peaks seems to be to high and not realistic.

I also see that at  startup (in the morning) the floor heating, asks a HVAC heating rate which is sometimes twice as high as  expected....
Are these peaks for real? I really can't decide to take these short peaks (neither at zone level or building level) as design load....

Geert



 

 

Richard Raustad RRaustad@xxxxxxxxxxxx [EnergyPlus_Support] schreef op 25/08/2014 18:08:
 

How can I determine what the real power demand is ? Enter the real equipment efficiency.

Regarding sizing, you can use the sizing parameters object to set an averaging window for sizing. This will average out the startup peaks you see yet still meet the load. In the example below, try using 4, 8, and 12 timesteps for the averaging window (1, 2, and 3 hours) to see what impact that has on sizing and hours set point not met.

  Timestep,4;

  Sizing:Parameters,
    1.0,                     !- Heating Sizing Factor
    1.0,                     !- Cooling Sizing Factor
    ;                        !- Timesteps in Averaging Window


On 8/25/2014 11:52 AM, geert.bellens@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [EnergyPlus_Support] wrote:

I usually simulate a building with a 100% efficient boiler and chiller.

If I use autosize for the capacity of the boiler or chiller, the capacity is sometimes to low.

If I fill in the capacity manually, .... I can fill in what I want. 

How can I determine what the real power demand is ?


Especially for capacity peaks at startup (morning for heating, afternoon for cooling) the manually choosen capacity, will influence the duration of the startup peak.


This leads to discussion with my client ofcourse. the software is intended to determine the peak load, but I can choose it myself....


Sometimes these peaks are also extremely high and short in duration. Is there a limiting aspect I maybe have forgotten ? (pump , or other part of the heating/cooling loop)


Geert


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Posted by: Geert Bellens <geert.bellens@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>


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