[Equest-users] LEED Fenestration Modeling Question

[Paul Diglio]

Thanks Bill, the comment you received is encouraging.

 Paul Diglio, CEM, CBCP


87 Fairmont Avenue
New Haven, CT  06513
203-415-0082


www.pdigliollc.com




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From: "Bishop, Bill" <bbishop at pathfinder-ea.com>
To: Paul Diglio <paul.diglio at sbcglobal.net>; 
"equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org" <equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org>
Sent: Mon, April 15, 2013 2:45:18 PM
Subject: RE: [Equest-users] LEED Fenestration Modeling Question

 
Paul,
 
I recently received the following comment in a LEED review for a LEED-NC v2009 
project:
This implies that Window v6.3 calculations are acceptable in lieu of NFRC 
ratings. The comment does not exclude the modeler from performing the 
calculation.
Of course, I have no idea if this is boilerplate language or if LEED reviewers 
have discretion here. It is also possible that requirements will become stricter  
for newer projects.
 
Regards,
Bill
 
William Bishop, PE, BEMP, LEED AP |Pathfinder Engineers & Architects LLP
Senior Energy Engineer
 
134 South Fitzhugh Street                 Rochester, NY 14608
T: (585) 325-6004 Ext. 114            F: (585) 325-6005
bbishop at pathfinder-ea.com           www.pathfinder-ea.com
P   Sustainability – the forest AND the trees.P   
 
From:equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org 
[mailto:equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of Paul Diglio
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 2:34 PM
To: equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
Subject: [Equest-users] LEED Fenestration Modeling Question
 
Folks:

I am a bit confused when modeling unrated vertical fenestration for the proposed 
model.  90.1 states that we need to use the values determined in accordance with 
NFRC 100 or we can use the data in Table A8.2 for vertical fenestration per 
Exception b, Section  5.8.2.4.

If so, the values in Table A8.2 exceed the maximum allowed fenestration u-values 
listed in Table 5.5-5 (my zone), so will this not disqualify the proposed 
building model?

I have often found it impossible to get the architect to supply the NFRC 
assembly ratings of the glazing and field erected curtain-wall systems.

I have used the LBNL Window 6.3 program to calculate the vertical fenestration 
ratings, but 90.1 Section 5.8.8.2 states that the fenestration product shall 
have a permanently installed nameplate or the manufacturer shall provide a 
signed and dated certification  for the installed fenestration.

I don't see any wiggle-room where 90.1 allows the modeler to calculate the NFRC 
rating of vertical fenestration.  


Saying that, I have submitted projects where I calculated the fenestration 
assembly u-values without any kick-back from the GBCI.

I am concerned that the reviewers will push this issue since it is now clearly 
defined on the new Section 1.4 Table and if I submit my own ratings I will end 
up remodeling the project and/or the proposed building envelope will be rejected 
since it doesn't meet  the mandatory requirements of Section 5.4.

Any thoughts?

Thank you,
 
Paul Diglio, CEM, CBCP
87 Fairmont Avenue
New Haven, CT 06513
203-415-0082
 
www.pdigliollc.com
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