[Equest-users] Indoor arena suggestions/tips
Matt Hein
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Fri Mar 1 06:27:02 PST 2013
Hello Doan Kieu Anh,
Welcome the emailing list. Can I ask that you start a new email thread
for your question by sending a new subject line email to
equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
Responding to an existing topic with a completely unrelated topic makes
for a very messy archive and makes it much more difficult to search topics.
The following video tutorial may be helpful in generating weather data
for your model.
http://energy-models.com/blog/1-8-13/video-convert-energyplus-weather-equest
Additionally, you may want to pause and ask if an eQuest model is the
most effective way to analyze your greenhouse. You may spend just as
much time translating values to fit eQuest as you would doing hand
calculations (spreadsheets).
If you're simply looking for climate data you might consider 'Climate
Consultant' from UCLA.
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On 3/1/2013 3:54 AM, Kieu Anh Doan wrote:
> Dear All,
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> I'm a beginner for eQuest stimulation. Now I'm starting the software
> for my Greenhouse 1200 sf area, 6 ft high. Unfortunately my location
> is Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam that there's no weather data to be put in
> for use. Could anyone please help me to start?
>
> Doan Kieu Anh,
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> Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam
> Cell: +8498 559 1925
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> On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 7:12 AM, Nathan Kegel <nathan.kegel at iesve.com
> <mailto:nathan.kegel at iesve.com>> wrote:
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> I don’t think this prevents you from taking credit for natural
> ventilation. It doesn’t say you must provide fans, pumps,
> diffusers, etc. You CAN heat and cool with an open window after
> all – although cooling is the far more common application of
> natural ventilation. J
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> What you would need is a way to model space temperature and
> control the windows (plus any other devices to mechanically
> condition the space when conditions weren’t favourable for natural
> ventilation) to maintain the comfort range. There are tools that
> allow you to control windows and HVAC systems in this manner –
> based on space temperature, CO2 level, humidity, etc. So assuming
> your space type and climate are good fits for this strategy – you
> can apply the appropriate software and control “sequences” to
> model a system in accordance with Appendix G – and account for
> wind speed, wind direction, temperatures, moisture, etc. in a
> fully dynamic fashion.
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> While I’ve never attempted to use eQuest for this, I have taken
> this approach successfully with tools that are intended to model
> these types of systems.
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> <mailto:equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org>] *On Behalf Of
> *Stormy L. Shanks
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 28, 2013 5:00 PM
> *To:* Matt Hein; RobertWichert; Email question to eQuest
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> *Subject:* Re: [Equest-users] Indoor arena suggestions/tips
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> Matt,
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> There is an addendum to 90.1 that adds heating-only systems 10 and
> 11. It’s addendum dn. You might check it out, but I’m not sure
> that your space really fits into that addendum, and I don’t think
> it helps you. When using that addendum, you model no cooling at
> all in either case. In reality, in the proposed building, you are
> getting some free cooling from natural ventilation.
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> I have an idea that’s complicated but maybe other people have a
> simplified method that will accomplish something similar. If you
> were going to accurately demonstrate what you’re saving over the
> baseline, you need to figure out how much energy your baseline
> system would use to do what the free cooling with natural
> ventilation is doing in the proposed model. Maybe you could figure
> out the space temperature you can achieve for each hour that
> you’re using natural ventilation for free cooling. Then, you could
> set up a space setpoint schedule in your baseline that would match
> those temperatures. The mechanical cooling system in your baseline
> model would cool to those same temperatures. Does that sound crazy?
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> Behalf Of *Matt Hein
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 28, 2013 10:24 AM
> *To:* RobertWichert; Email question to eQuest
> *Subject:* Re: [Equest-users] Indoor arena suggestions/tips
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> Has anyone been able to capture savings from a natural ventilation
> design for LEED 2009 NC? (I interpret that G3.1.1.b prevents this.)
>
> Glancing over Appendix G I see something that doesn't seem very
> encouraging of 'green' design: (not to say that it discourages)
>
> * G3.1.1.b says, "All conditioned spaces in the proposed design
> shall be simulated as being both heated and cooled even if no
> heating or cooling system is to be installed ..."
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> It seems like there should be some way to encourage natural
> ventilation design by accounting for the energy savings.
> I suspect I'll approach this by setting a high Tstat value (100 F)
> and using the exact same cooling configuration for proposed and
> baseline so the savings are null. Well, maybe I can get some fan
> power savings.
>
> - MRH
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> On 2/28/2013 8:33 AM, RobertWichert wrote:
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> I would certainly bring it up. I would expect it to be more
> comfortable and with much lower fuel costs. Even first cost
> could be lower, if you really plan to heat all that air,
> unless the insulation is very heavy, even on the roof. I
> would think you could get away with minimal insulation on the
> roof if you used radiant.
>
> Just my first thought though, I'm sure there is much more to
> consider.
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> Maybe you could keep us apprised of your progress...
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> On 2/27/2013 2:47 PM, Matt Hein wrote:
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> The preliminary design calls for forced-air with low
> winter setpoint of 60F and additional fans to de-stratify.
> Summer is Nat. ventilation with no cooling.
> I plan on discussing radiant heat in our next conversation.
>
> Thanks Robert,
>
> - MRH
>
> On 2/27/2013 4:02 PM, RobertWichert wrote:
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> Is radiant heating being discussed, Matt?
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> On 2/27/2013 1:27 PM, Matt Hein wrote:
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> Thanks David and Nick. Your advice is much
> appreciated.
>
> - MRH
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> On 2/27/2013 1:58 PM, Nick Caton wrote:
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> No direct answers, but I would plan on a long
> discussion with the HVAC designers to arrive
> at a mutual understanding of the “conditioned
> volume” and loads incident on that volume to
> be addressed by the systems. Approaching this
> as thermally-connected
> conditioned/unconditioned zones matching those
> design parameters makes sense procedurally
> from an eQuest standpoint.
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> Time permitting, running an early “test” model
> to ensure the results agree/ballpark with the
> designer’s calculations would be a good idea
> as well to nail down the nuts & bolts of your
> modeling procedure before crunch time (Keeping
> good notes & written communication will also
> be helpful later for model documentation).
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> *On Behalf Of *Matt Hein
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:32 AM
> *To:* Email question to eQuest
> *Subject:* [Equest-users] Indoor arena
> suggestions/tips
>
> Hello all,
>
> I'm working on an 150,000 sf indoor practice
> facility with 90 ft ceilings. Does anyone have
> any suggestions/tips/heads-up comments that
> would be useful in starting this model?
> Specifically, I'm wondering if I'll run into
> issues related to stratification and need to
> create 'sub-zones' so eQuest better represents
> the proposed distribution system.
>
> Thank you for your time and combined insight,
>
> *Matthew Hein*, P.E.
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> On 2/27/2013 10:50 AM, David Eldridge wrote:
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> eQUEST will assume a uniform temperature
> throughout the zone, so if the proposed HVAC
> system will allow stratification then you
> would need to do something like you are
> describing.
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> David
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