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Subject: RE: [EnergyPlus_Support] Strange Sort of Error
From: Ali_Ajmi <ajmi70kw@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:41:13 +0100 (BST)
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1. This has been sort it out, thank you Mike.
2. I could not find the PurchAirBuildGeomandWindowMat_fivZone.rvi and I don't know what this file mean. Still I could not find the Glare Index 2.
3. This file PurchAirBuildGeomandWindowMat_fivZonMap.tab is not appear at my output files.
 
Could you please help.
 
Ali

"Michael J. Witte" <mjwitte@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

1. In the RDD output file, there are two report variables to choose from for 
Purchased Cooling: Purchased Air Sensible Cooling Energy and Purchased Air 
Total Cooling Energy. Purchased Air Sensible Cooling Energy is the most 
meaningful. 

2. My csv output file includes "ZONE NORTH:Glare Index at Ref Point 1 
[](Daily)" and "ZONE NORTH:Glare Index at Ref Point 2 [](Daily)". Do you have 
an rvi input file for the postprocessor? 
(PurchAirBuildGeomandWindowMat_fivZon.rvi) If so, either delete it or make 
sure that it includes "Glare Index at Ref Point 2". 

3. The illuminance map output is in a separate file named *Map.csv (or .tab or 
.txt) In this case, tab has been selected as the delimited, so it is output to 
PurchAirBuildGeomandWindowMat_fivZonMap.tab 

Mike


On 25 Apr 2005, at 11:43, Ali_Ajmi wrote:

> 
> Thanks Mike i have sort out the purchased air heating energy. But i could not
> figure out the purchased cooling energy. Many things are not clear to me in this
> output file. First, the glare index only shown for one reference point of each
> zone. Second, the Daylighting illuminance: map is not appear in the out put
> files. The IDF file has been uploaded under name
> PurchAirBuildGeomandWindowMat_fivZon.
> 
> Regards
> Ali
> 
> "Michael J. Witte" wrote:
> 
> 1. In the idf file, to report for all zones:
> 
> Report Variable,
> *, !- Key_Value
> Purchased Air Heating Energy, !- Variable_Name
> hourly; !- Reporting_Frequency
> 
> Or for just a single zone (key value is the name of the purchased air object):
> 
> Report Variable,
> ZONE NORTH AIR, !- Key_Value
> Purchased Air Heating Energy, !- Variable_Name
> hourly; !- Reporting_Frequency
> 
> 2. If you have an rvi file, then it must be listed there as well:
> 
> Purchased Air Heating Energy
> 
> OR
> 
> ZONE NORTH AIR,Purchased Air Heating Energy 
> 
> 3. This is a report variable so it will be reported in the .csv 
> file, not the Meter.csv
> 
> 4. There are also meters for puchased heating and cooling which can report to
> both the .csv and Meter.csv files, or just the meter file only:
> 
> Report Meter,
> PurchasedHeating:Facility, !- Meter_Name
> monthly; !- Reporting_Frequency
> 
> OR
> 
> Report MeterFileOnly,
> PurchasedHeating:Facility, !- Meter_Name
> monthly; !- Reporting_Frequency
> 
> 
> 5. If the results still do not appear, be sure to check the .err output file for
> warnings related to report variables and meters. If you cannot figure it out,
> please upload the input file to the yahoo files area.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> On 20 Apr 2005, at 17:01, Ali_Ajmi wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Thanks Peter for your help. It is really was valuable advise. Peter I asked in
> > the output file object to show every zone purchased heating and cooling using
> > this ZONE NORTH AIR : Purchased Air Heating Energy field as written in the
> > .rdd file but nothing shows in the out put meter file, any advise.
> > 
> > Regards
> > Ali
> > 
> > "Ellis, Peter" 
> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Ali, I've looked at your file and have some recommendations for you. First of
> > all, remove all of the DAYLIGHTING:ILLUMINANCE MAP objects from your file.
> > (This will allow the DXF file, eplusout.dxf, to be generated. I don't know why
> > that error message is preventing the DXF from being generated.) Now look
> > closely at you DXF file using Volo View or something similar. You'll see that
> > most of your daylighting reference points (the red and blue circles) are not
> > in their correct zones. They are, in fact, outside of the building. This is
> > the first thing you must fix before you can get the maps to work. 
> > 
> > The reason the reference points are misplaced is because you are trying to use
> > world coordinates instead of zone coordinates. All daylighting reference point
> > coordinates (and also illuminance map coordinates) must use zone coordinates.
> > In zone coordinates, everything is relative to the zone origin, which is
> > defined in the ZONE object. This means that you should never have daylighting
> > coordinates less than zero, or else they will be outside the zone. A Relative
> > North Axis other than zero further complicates things. 
> > 
> > Once you get the daylighting reference points in the right places you should
> > have a better understanding of how the illuminance map coordinates should be
> > setup. However, since your "X minimum coordinate" and "Y minimum coordinate"
> > are still less than 0.15, you run the risk of getting the same error message
> > if there is a window in the walls on those sides. Try 0.2 instead to be safe. 
> > 
> > When you temporarily remove the DAYLIGHTING:ILLUMINANCE MAP objects as I
> > suggest above, you'll see that you have some new errors with your zone
> > equipment. You'll have to solve those errors separately. 
> > 
> > 
> > Peter Ellis
> > NREL
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Linda Lawrie [mailto:linda@xxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 8:50 AM
> > To: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [EnergyPlus_Support] Strange Sort of Error
> > 
> > 
> > Personally, I would probably try commenting out the illuminance map for that
> > zone if you can't figure out the problem there.
> > 
> > The developer was out of town for the last few days of last week.
> > 
> > Linda
> > 
> > At 08:38 AM 4/18/2005, Ali_Ajmi wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Waiting your help Linda.
> > Ali
> > 
> > Ali_Ajmi wrote:
> > 
> > The illuminance maps used in this file from the beginning. This error appear
> > after i have removed the Geometry Transform object. This the first time i try
> > to use the illuminance maps.
> > 
> > Ali
> > 
> > Linda Lawrie
> > wrote:
> > 
> > This is now the error I am getting. Have you used Illuminance maps
> > before? I will try to have the author look at the problem.
> > 
> > Linda
> > 
> > At 04:34 AM 4/12/2005, Ali_Ajmi wrote:
> > >** Severe ** Daylighting calculation cannot be done for zone ZONE WEST
> > >because an illuminance map point is less than 0.15m (6") from window plane
> > >ZONE WEST WINDOW
> > > ** ~~~ ** This is too close; check boundaries of illuminance map.
> > > ** Fatal ** Program terminates due to preceding condition.
> > >
> > >I have used the same Cartesian that i used in defining the zones, so the west
> > >zone have negative value in the Y-axis. Do you think this is the source of
> > >the errors.
> > >
> > 
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