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Subject: RE: [EnergyPlus_Support] Strange Sort of Error
From: "Michael J. Witte" <mjwitte@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 13:58:30 -0500
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I do not know what to say.  Please put your input file in a folder all by 
itself, run the simulation, and then zip the entire folder and upload it to the 
yahoo files area or send it to me at energyplus-support@xxxxxxxx

On 28 Apr 2005, at 11:41, Ali_Ajmi wrote:

> 1. This has been sort it out, thank you Mike.
> 2. I could not find the PurchAirBuildGeomandWindowMat_fivZone.rvi and I don't
> know what this file mean. Still I could not find the Glare Index 2. 3. This file
> PurchAirBuildGeomandWindowMat_fivZonMap.tab is not appear at my output files.
> 
> Could you please help.
> 
> Ali
> 
> "Michael J. Witte" <mjwitte@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> 1. In the RDD output file, there are two report variables to choose from for
> Purchased Cooling: Purchased Air Sensible Cooling Energy and Purchased Air Total
> Cooling Energy. Purchased Air Sensible Cooling Energy is the most meaningful. 
> 
> 2. My csv output file includes "ZONE NORTH:Glare Index at Ref Point 1 
> [](Daily)" and "ZONE NORTH:Glare Index at Ref Point 2 [](Daily)". Do you have an
> rvi input file for the postprocessor? (PurchAirBuildGeomandWindowMat_fivZon.rvi)
> If so, either delete it or make sure that it includes "Glare Index at Ref Point
> 2". 
> 
> 3. The illuminance map output is in a separate file named *Map.csv (or .tab or
> .txt) In this case, tab has been selected as the delimited, so it is output to
> PurchAirBuildGeomandWindowMat_fivZonMap.tab 
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> On 25 Apr 2005, at 11:43, Ali_Ajmi wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Thanks Mike i have sort out the purchased air heating energy. But i could not
> > figure out the purchased cooling energy. Many things are not clear to me in
> > this output file. First, the glare index only shown for one reference point of
> > each zone. Second, the Daylighting illuminance: map is not appear in the out
> > put files. The IDF file has been uploaded under name
> > PurchAirBuildGeomandWindowMat_fivZon.
> > 
> > Regards
> > Ali
> > 
> > "Michael J. Witte" wrote:
> > 
> > 1. In the idf file, to report for all zones:
> > 
> > Report Variable,
> > *, !- Key_Value
> > Purchased Air Heating Energy, !- Variable_Name
> > hourly; !- Reporting_Frequency
> > 
> > Or for just a single zone (key value is the name of the purchased air object):
> > 
> > Report Variable,
> > ZONE NORTH AIR, !- Key_Value
> > Purchased Air Heating Energy, !- Variable_Name
> > hourly; !- Reporting_Frequency
> > 
> > 2. If you have an rvi file, then it must be listed there as well:
> > 
> > Purchased Air Heating Energy
> > 
> > OR
> > 
> > ZONE NORTH AIR,Purchased Air Heating Energy 
> > 
> > 3. This is a report variable so it will be reported in the .csv 
> > file, not the Meter.csv
> > 
> > 4. There are also meters for puchased heating and cooling which can report to
> > both the .csv and Meter.csv files, or just the meter file only:
> > 
> > Report Meter,
> > PurchasedHeating:Facility, !- Meter_Name
> > monthly; !- Reporting_Frequency
> > 
> > OR
> > 
> > Report MeterFileOnly,
> > PurchasedHeating:Facility, !- Meter_Name
> > monthly; !- Reporting_Frequency
> > 
> > 
> > 5. If the results still do not appear, be sure to check the .err output file
> > for warnings related to report variables and meters. If you cannot figure it
> > out, please upload the input file to the yahoo files area.
> > 
> > Mike
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 20 Apr 2005, at 17:01, Ali_Ajmi wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > Thanks Peter for your help. It is really was valuable advise. Peter I asked
> > > in the output file object to show every zone purchased heating and cooling
> > > using this ZONE NORTH AIR : Purchased Air Heating Energy field as written in
> > > the .rdd file but nothing shows in the out put meter file, any advise.
> > > 
> > > Regards
> > > Ali
> > > 
> > > "Ellis, Peter" 
> > wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Ali, I've looked at your file and have some recommendations for you. First
> > > of all, remove all of the DAYLIGHTING:ILLUMINANCE MAP objects from your
> > > file. (This will allow the DXF file, eplusout.dxf, to be generated. I don't
> > > know why that error message is preventing the DXF from being generated.) Now
> > > look closely at you DXF file using Volo View or something similar. You'll
> > > see that most of your daylighting reference points (the red and blue
> > > circles) are not in their correct zones. They are, in fact, outside of the
> > > building. This is the first thing you must fix before you can get the maps
> > > to work. 
> > > 
> > > The reason the reference points are misplaced is because you are trying to
> > > use world coordinates instead of zone coordinates. All daylighting reference
> > > point coordinates (and also illuminance map coordinates) must use zone
> > > coordinates. In zone coordinates, everything is relative to the zone origin,
> > > which is defined in the ZONE object. This means that you should never have
> > > daylighting coordinates less than zero, or else they will be outside the
> > > zone. A Relative North Axis other than zero further complicates things. 
> > > 
> > > Once you get the daylighting reference points in the right places you should
> > > have a better understanding of how the illuminance map coordinates should be
> > > setup. However, since your "X minimum coordinate" and "Y minimum coordinate"
> > > are still less than 0.15, you run the risk of getting the same error message
> > > if there is a window in the walls on those sides. Try 0.2 instead to be
> > > safe. 
> > > 
> > > When you temporarily remove the DAYLIGHTING:ILLUMINANCE MAP objects as I
> > > suggest above, you'll see that you have some new errors with your zone
> > > equipment. You'll have to solve those errors separately. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Peter Ellis
> > > NREL
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Linda Lawrie [mailto:linda@xxxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 8:50 AM
> > > To: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: Re: [EnergyPlus_Support] Strange Sort of Error
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Personally, I would probably try commenting out the illuminance map for that
> > > zone if you can't figure out the problem there.
> > > 
> > > The developer was out of town for the last few days of last week.
> > > 
> > > Linda
> > > 
> > > At 08:38 AM 4/18/2005, Ali_Ajmi wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Waiting your help Linda.
> > > Ali
> > > 
> > > Ali_Ajmi wrote:
> > > 
> > > The illuminance maps used in this file from the beginning. This error appear
> > > after i have removed the Geometry Transform object. This the first time i
> > > try to use the illuminance maps.
> > > 
> > > Ali
> > > 
> > > Linda Lawrie
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > This is now the error I am getting. Have you used Illuminance maps
> > > before? I will try to have the author look at the problem.
> > > 
> > > Linda
> > > 
> > > At 04:34 AM 4/12/2005, Ali_Ajmi wrote:
> > > >** Severe ** Daylighting calculation cannot be done for zone ZONE WEST
> > > >because an illuminance map point is less than 0.15m (6") from window plane
> > > >ZONE WEST WINDOW
> > > > ** ~~~ ** This is too close; check boundaries of illuminance map.
> > > > ** Fatal ** Program terminates due to preceding condition.
> > > >
> > > >I have used the same Cartesian that i used in defining the zones, so the
> > > >west zone have negative value in the Y-axis. Do you think this is the
> > > >source of the errors.
> > > >
> > > 
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