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Re: [Bldg-sim] [EnergyPlus_Support] I need advices for choosing a GUI



The current version of free sketchup (as of this month I believe) does not support .dwg importing, actually.  If you continue using any older version – it shouldn’t lose this functionality (keep your installation files).  The Sketchup development team has been clear on their intent to continue .dwg and other proprietary format file support in the Pro version. 

 

**A moment on my soapbox**

 

Our office took this as a cue to recognize that the free version of Sketchup is explicitly intended for educational/trial purposes, however powerful it may be – not for professional design use.  Our office purchased a Pro license in response to ensure continued support of import/export of .dwg and other formats we use.  I’d encourage others on bldg-sim to consider this carefully.  The cost:benefit ratio of the free version of Sketchup, for many of us, is pretty extraordinary.  To top it off it’s actually fairly inexpensive as far as professional design tools go.

 

**Stepping off the soapbox**

 

On a Sketchup-related note – I haven’t mentioned this on [bldg-sim] yet, but Sketchup-savvy users using a version with .dwg export support can actually export their models into AGI32 for photometric and rendering lighting/daylight studies after a little work in CAD to ensure a clean import.  I might write up an illustrated guide or post the full scoop here at some point in the future, but for those interested in learning immediately I’ll just say to head over to the AGI32 forums to find a lengthy post (intended to troubleshoot other AGI32-specific issues) where I composed a pretty decent outline of the process to start.

 

~Nick

 

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From: bldg-sim-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kevin Kyte
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 2:43 PM
To: Jackson, Alan; EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: bldg-sim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] [EnergyPlus_Support] I need advices for choosing a GUI

 

Free sketchup is not going to support dwg importing for much longer.

 


From: Jackson, Alan [mailto:ajackson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:09 PM
To: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: bldg-sim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] [EnergyPlus_Support] I need advices for choosing a GUI

 

In what sense?

 

If you mean it doesn’t have every single capability of modeling like the IDF or Text editor would, yes. But nothing does. It’s hard to keep up with the E+ developer cycle ;-)

 

If you mean it doesn’t run off Energyplus 3.0. It does.

 

I don’t use it because it’s too expensive. I prefer OpenStudio and the IDF Editor/Textpad because you have access to all the capabilities that E+ has to offer, but it took me years to become even semi comfortable (read: confident) with modeling through a txt file.

 

Either way maybe this should be moved over to BLDG-SIM.

 

Alan Jackson, LEED AP
KlingStubbins

 

From: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Emanuele Naboni
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:03 PM
To: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [EnergyPlus_Support] I need advices for choosing a GUI

 

 

Yes, but Hevacomp does not have the capabilities of EnergyPlus.

 

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2009/10/29 Jackson, Alan <ajackson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

 

You should look into Hevacomp which is being revamped for the US.

 

Alan Jackson, LEED AP
KlingStubbins

 

From: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Josh K
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 12:00 PM
To: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [EnergyPlus_Support] I need advices for choosing a GUI

 

 

Hello;

My feeling is that their currently is not a *perfect* GUI for EnergyPlus, especially if you're interested in interoperability (ie IFC, gbXML, etc). Designbuilder seems to be getting closest in this regard, but when I tested it a while ago I found the modelling interface to be a bit clumsy and restrictive. OpenStudio is not bad, but still needs a little work to be practical for every day use (for instance, to my knowledge there is currently no good way to specify a heat transfer surface's adjacency conditions). I currently use ECOTECT, which had a lot of promise when I started using it three years ago but has progressed exactly zero since then. I don't know much about the other system you mention.

To summarize: the three you mention will all probably work for you, and each have their own advantages and disadvantages. If you're specifically interested in IFC compatibility, I'm not sure about the status of DesignBuilder in this respect, but neither OpenStudio nor ECOTECT currently have this capability.

Josh

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 7:14 AM, bcavallier <bruno.cavallier@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

 


Hello,

I want to learn EnergyPlus but I need a GUI. As it is a new activity for me, I would like to find the better couple [E+/GUI] regarding my needs. I am mainly interested in building energy simulation, particularly on the topics of energy efficiency and the smart use of solar energy for solar passive designing. I saw a lot of software on the web : Google Sketch Up with Openstudio, Designbuilder (well described at Harvard), Ecotect...

How can I make the best choice? My choice will use the IFC standard. I saw another software : Digital Project of Gehry Technologies which is based on Catia (Dassault Systemes) that works with IFC standards, but has anyone made simulation with [E+/this soft]?

Could you give me advices, please...

Best regards

B.Cavallier




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