I did not realize that the discussion was on the template IDF,
HVACTemplate-5ZoneWaterToAirHeatPumpTowerBoiler.idf.
I tried the simulation, and I found that the result was simply showing the heating required to keep the tower water from freezing.
About 3kW of power is needed to heat the water to 15°C, when the ODT was -17.6°C. The power changes with the ODT value. Less power when the ODT is higher. The mass flow rate is constant, probably because the capacity of the circulating pump of the cooling tower is constant. The tower fan was off.
The template looks like one simulating a 2 pipe system for the zone using two coils fed from the same mixed loop.
The water to air HP is used for cooling only, but the tower is not turned off when ODT is below zero.
With type 1 and type2 seasonal control, the tower will be disabled, and the heating of tower may not appear.
It is no a template error. It is reporting correctly, that the tower needed heating in Winter.
The HP was not adding cooling to the heating mixed water loop.
When simulating the HP directly, the required heater fields are all listed.
I have not used the water tower object in Winter, and have not found the field for heater yet.
This is the reason why I said that the template method is not easy for beginners to use for more complex or non conventional combinations, using default type 4 thermostat.
I do not know how to force the template to use seasonal control on expansion. The user provided seasonal heating and cooling setpoint objects are sometime replaced by the template expansion. (Not always.)
The problem may not show up, if the template location was not for a cold place like Chicago.
Dr. Li
To: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
From: linda@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 10:39:48 -0700
Subject: Re: [EnergyPlus_Support] simultaneous heating and cooling in the condenser loop
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HVACTemplate-5ZoneWaterToAirHeatPumpTowerBoiler.idf.
I tried the simulation, and I found that the result was simply showing the heating required to keep the tower water from freezing.
About 3kW of power is needed to heat the water to 15°C, when the ODT was -17.6°C. The power changes with the ODT value. Less power when the ODT is higher. The mass flow rate is constant, probably because the capacity of the circulating pump of the cooling tower is constant. The tower fan was off.
The template looks like one simulating a 2 pipe system for the zone using two coils fed from the same mixed loop.
The water to air HP is used for cooling only, but the tower is not turned off when ODT is below zero.
With type 1 and type2 seasonal control, the tower will be disabled, and the heating of tower may not appear.
It is no a template error. It is reporting correctly, that the tower needed heating in Winter.
The HP was not adding cooling to the heating mixed water loop.
When simulating the HP directly, the required heater fields are all listed.
I have not used the water tower object in Winter, and have not found the field for heater yet.
This is the reason why I said that the template method is not easy for beginners to use for more complex or non conventional combinations, using default type 4 thermostat.
I do not know how to force the template to use seasonal control on expansion. The user provided seasonal heating and cooling setpoint objects are sometime replaced by the template expansion. (Not always.)
The problem may not show up, if the template location was not for a cold place like Chicago.
Dr. Li
To: EnergyPlus_Support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
From: linda@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 10:39:48 -0700
Subject: Re: [EnergyPlus_Support] simultaneous heating and cooling in the condenser loop
We are posting a defect report and will be looking into
it.
At 10:34 AM 3/5/2012, Ery Djunaedy wrote:
At 10:34 AM 3/5/2012, Ery Djunaedy wrote:
As a follow up, these graphs show the problem: the cooling tower operates at the same time as the boiler. The plant component temperature graph is very revealing if you compare the deltaT between the boiler and the cooling tower.
Any insight on this is greatly appreciated.
Ery
On 03/05/2012 06:06 AM, Linda Lawrie wrote:
Are you reporting at a detailed level so you KNOW there is simultaneous heating and cooling or is it just happening over an hour?
At 04:50 PM 3/4/2012, Ery Djunaedy wrote:
I am referring to the example
HVACTemplate-5ZoneWaterToAirHeatPumpTowerBoiler.idf. The cooling tower
and the boiler configuration from the HVAC template always results in a
simultaneous heating and cooling.
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